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Isn't it wildly classist to so patly assume that attitudes are that transmissible? My great grandfather had like 10 siblings and worked on a farm. What's that

Isn't it wildly classist to so patly assume that attitudes are that transmissible? My great grandfather had like 10 siblings and worked on a farm. What's that tell you about me?

vel0city 3y ago
You may be pretty radically different from your grandparents, outliers always exist, nobody's futures are truly written in stone. But what percentage of your distant cousins are more like your great grandparents?
- psychoslave 3y ago
  You don’t need to wait the answer to take into account that they most likely aren’t farmer for most of them. Though of course it doesn’t mean they all topped the social pyramid as it is by definition structurally unclimbable for most with its power distribution.
  - vel0city 3y ago
    "More like" not "exactly like". I'm not expecting them to all be farmers. But say, having similar-ish religious views, similar-ish social views, etc.
    - psychoslave 3y ago
      And how should we measure that?
      - vel0city 3y ago
        There are literally hundreds of ways to slice population statistics other than just primary occupation. Practically any of those, maybe! Do you find your primary occupation entirely defines every aspect of yourself?
        psychoslave 3y ago
        "yourself" is mostly nonsense illusion throw at current present attention. ;) The thing with statistics, is that you have to gather data which have some consistency before you apply any statistics tool and try to draw some conclusions. We can agree that any individual is more than the indefinitely various number of categories under which we can label this individual, but at the end of the day there only a limited amount of data we actually really have on any person that ever existed, and even less consistent set of data other many people under any category we can think of.
- TheCoelacanth 3y ago
  Less than 10%. The outliers are the ones who have stayed similar to our great-grandparents, not the ones who are different.
CalRobert 3y ago
Well, it's about averages really. If scientists were having eight kid families and creationists having one kid families the same logic would apply. Most people have value systems reasonably close to their parents'.
pixl97 3y ago
Of course your great grandfather worked on a farm, a majority of people before mechanization worked on or around farm related tasks. Now, when it came to the 10 generations before your grandfather, it's pretty damned likely they worked on a farm. The industrial revolution shook things up.
- maxerickson 3y ago
  Well it's good that the world has stopped changing and we can rest assured on our assumptions about how children will obviously follow their parents in most things.
  - pixl97 3y ago
    >Well it's good that the world has stopped changing I'm not sure you're paying much attention to politics, but there are massive movements that want exactly that, if not to drag us back to the past kicking and screaming. I think the premise of we are like our parents is actually incorrect.... Our parents are like our culture would be the more correct assessment. In conservative more hierarchy based cultures you're much more likely to be like your parents, because if you are not you'll be shunned or worse. Western culture in general has more of a "make your own path" ideology that increases the chances you'll be different from your parents.

Isn't it wildly classist to so patly assume that attitudes are that transmissible? My great grandfather had like 10 siblings and worked on a farm. What's that tell you about me?

vel0city 3y ago

You may be pretty radically different from your grandparents, outliers always exist, nobody's futures are truly written in stone. But what percentage of your distant cousins are more like your great grandparents?

psychoslave 3y ago
You don’t need to wait the answer to take into account that they most likely aren’t farmer for most of them. Though of course it doesn’t mean they all topped the social pyramid as it is by definition structurally unclimbable for most with its power distribution.
- vel0city 3y ago
  "More like" not "exactly like". I'm not expecting them to all be farmers. But say, having similar-ish religious views, similar-ish social views, etc.
  - psychoslave 3y ago
    And how should we measure that?
    - vel0city 3y ago
      There are literally hundreds of ways to slice population statistics other than just primary occupation. Practically any of those, maybe! Do you find your primary occupation entirely defines every aspect of yourself?
      - psychoslave 3y ago
        "yourself" is mostly nonsense illusion throw at current present attention. ;) The thing with statistics, is that you have to gather data which have some consistency before you apply any statistics tool and try to draw some conclusions. We can agree that any individual is more than the indefinitely various number of categories under which we can label this individual, but at the end of the day there only a limited amount of data we actually really have on any person that ever existed, and even less consistent set of data other many people under any category we can think of.
TheCoelacanth 3y ago
Less than 10%. The outliers are the ones who have stayed similar to our great-grandparents, not the ones who are different.

CalRobert 3y ago

Well, it's about averages really. If scientists were having eight kid families and creationists having one kid families the same logic would apply. Most people have value systems reasonably close to their parents'.

pixl97 3y ago

Of course your great grandfather worked on a farm, a majority of people before mechanization worked on or around farm related tasks. Now, when it came to the 10 generations before your grandfather, it's pretty damned likely they worked on a farm. The industrial revolution shook things up.

maxerickson 3y ago
Well it's good that the world has stopped changing and we can rest assured on our assumptions about how children will obviously follow their parents in most things.
- pixl97 3y ago
  >Well it's good that the world has stopped changing I'm not sure you're paying much attention to politics, but there are massive movements that want exactly that, if not to drag us back to the past kicking and screaming. I think the premise of we are like our parents is actually incorrect.... Our parents are like our culture would be the more correct assessment. In conservative more hierarchy based cultures you're much more likely to be like your parents, because if you are not you'll be shunned or worse. Western culture in general has more of a "make your own path" ideology that increases the chances you'll be different from your parents.