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And you think HN is the horizon of entire programming world? Hope that is a self fulfilling prophecy. If you believe HN, Ruby is taking over the world - but in

by anuraj 14y ago

And you think HN is the horizon of entire programming world? Hope that is a self fulfilling prophecy. If you believe HN, Ruby is taking over the world - but in reality, Ruby use is going down (http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index....). If you really want to know which language is gaining popularity fast - it is a pretty old language called Objective-C! Recheck the reality distortion field. And about love - I have a family to love - programming languages are tools - hardly objects to love or hate.

pessimizer 14y ago
I own tools that I love and tools that I hate.
emil0r 14y ago
I would believe it on the basis that every programmer I've talked to, from a couple of years after Java was introduced, until today, didn't really like Java. Things became very complex very fast for the language that gave birth to FactoryFactoryPattern.
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chc 14y ago
You seem to be disagreeing very strongly with a bunch of things I didn't say. Let me clear up a few misconceptions: 1. I don't believe Ruby is taking over the world. Six years ago it was, but now it's fairly mature and stable. I do believe that Ruby is better-loved overall than Java. (Incidentally, you'll notice Java is dropping two orders of magnitude faster than Ruby on TIOBE's chart.) 2. I have been programming Objective-C since 2001 when OS X came out. I'm pretty familiar with it. 3. HN is not "the horizon of the entire programming world," but it is pretty well-embedded in the Silicon Valley startup scene, which is what I was discussing at the time. My point is this: Take a look at any area where passionate coders get to choose any technology stack they want and you will find Ruby is generally more popular than Java. If HN's job listing isn't convincing to you, let's take a look at another place where coders choose their own language — open source. On Github's ranking of most popular languages, Ruby is #2 and Java is #5. 4. I am not trying to convince you that you should love or hate any languages. I am saying that many people do, and their feelings towards these languages affect how they behave. As a side note, I agree that programming languages are tools, but honestly, most artists and craftsmen I know do have favorite tools — a favorite violin, a favorite kind of film, etc. Heck, many people have a favorite chair. It's OK if you don't, but it's not that weird.

by anuraj 14y ago

pessimizer 14y ago

I own tools that I love and tools that I hate.

emil0r 14y ago

I would believe it on the basis that every programmer I've talked to, from a couple of years after Java was introduced, until today, didn't really like Java. Things became very complex very fast for the language that gave birth to FactoryFactoryPattern.

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chc 14y ago

You seem to be disagreeing very strongly with a bunch of things I didn't say. Let me clear up a few misconceptions: 1. I don't believe Ruby is taking over the world. Six years ago it was, but now it's fairly mature and stable. I do believe that Ruby is better-loved overall than Java. (Incidentally, you'll notice Java is dropping two orders of magnitude faster than Ruby on TIOBE's chart.) 2. I have been programming Objective-C since 2001 when OS X came out. I'm pretty familiar with it. 3. HN is not "the horizon of the entire programming world," but it is pretty well-embedded in the Silicon Valley startup scene, which is what I was discussing at the time. My point is this: Take a look at any area where passionate coders get to choose any technology stack they want and you will find Ruby is generally more popular than Java. If HN's job listing isn't convincing to you, let's take a look at another place where coders choose their own language — open source. On Github's ranking of most popular languages, Ruby is #2 and Java is #5. 4. I am not trying to convince you that you should love or hate any languages. I am saying that many people do, and their feelings towards these languages affect how they behave. As a side note, I agree that programming languages are tools, but honestly, most artists and craftsmen I know do have favorite tools — a favorite violin, a favorite kind of film, etc. Heck, many people have a favorite chair. It's OK if you don't, but it's not that weird.