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Why does it matter when every male adult killed in a drone strike is by definition a combatant? At this point you can just shoot at anyone and say "terrorist".

by guappa 3y ago

roynasser 3y ago
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- guappa 3y ago
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  - roynasser 3y ago
    sure, it didnt start, but israel was "happy" defending itself from its neighbor shooting thousands of rockets each year... Yeah, it didnt start on oct 7th, but the escalation very much did. Actions have consequences, and a ceasefire was broken on Oct 7th... Let them resolve their issues now
    - LtWorf 3y ago
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      - rajishx 3y ago
        Afaik gaza doesn't have any israel settlement anymore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaz... so I am not sure how you could say israeli were expanding in Gaza..
        runarberg 3y ago
        It is not clear at this point whether or not the current military activity will be followed with settlements. There are certainly calls for that among some Israelis, even among high ranking members of the Israeli government. We should take those seriously. Only weeks following oct 7. Netanyahu announced new settlements in the Gaza envelope, meaning the part of Israel within rocket range from Gaza. There have been documented cases of Israel expending the buffer zone on the Palestinian side of the boarder wall. I would certainly call that expansion, even though the settlements them selves are within Israel’s territory, their security infrastructure results in land being taken away from Palestine.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > They attacked their neighbor, they will suffer consequences of the choices of their elected governors. Hamas is in no meaningful sense elected by the people of Gaza (the last election was before most people now living their were alive, much less eligible to vote); given that it is Israel that has blocked new all-Palestine elections in the last decade, Israel had had more say in choosing Hamas as the government in Gaza than the people fo Gaza have had. (And ministers in the current Israeli government have explicitly said they actively preferred to keep Hamas in power because the division between Hamas and the Fatah-led administration in the West Bank and the extremism of Hamas provides political cover against pressure to make peace and accept a Palestinian State.)
  - roynasser 3y ago
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        runarberg 3y ago
        I really shouldn’t be engaging with this, and I’m in fact choosing to ignore the more problematic aspects of this—and previous—posts (which I fully expect to become flagged to death anyway). However I’m gonna engage with one point though (your strongest point). > the ICJ has already not accepted the accusations against Israel, That is simply not true. The ICJ has done no such thing. In fact they have accepted that there is a probably case and a risk of genocide. In fact, I’m gonna quote the summary of the verdict (from Wikipedia): > It is plausible that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza. The State of Israel must take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of genocide. If anything since this verdict was published, the case for genocide has become even more glaring. Just today Ireland announced they would intervene on behalf of South Africa in that case adding the blocking of aid to the charges against Israel[1]. The day before yesterday UN Human Rights Council’s Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories published a report[2]—which I have been quoting a lot lately—concluding: “there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating Israel’s commission of genocide is met.” Francesca Albanese further describes this genocidal rhetoric in her magnificent report: > One of the key findings is that Israel's executive and military leadership and soldiers have intentionally distorted jus in bello principles, subverting their protective functions, in an attempt to legitimize genocidal violence against the Palestinian people. 1: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/27/gaza-ireland-joins-battle-to-include-the-blocking-of-vital-aid-in-definition-of-genocide https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/27/gaza-ireland-j... 2: https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session55/advance-versions/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies...

Why does it matter when every male adult killed in a drone strike is by definition a combatant? At this point you can just shoot at anyone and say "terrorist".

by guappa 3y ago

Why does it matter when every male adult killed in a drone strike is by definition a combatant? At this point you can just shoot at anyone and say "terrorist".

roynasser 3y ago

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guappa 3y ago
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- roynasser 3y ago
  sure, it didnt start, but israel was "happy" defending itself from its neighbor shooting thousands of rockets each year... Yeah, it didnt start on oct 7th, but the escalation very much did. Actions have consequences, and a ceasefire was broken on Oct 7th... Let them resolve their issues now
  - LtWorf 3y ago
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    - rajishx 3y ago
      Afaik gaza doesn't have any israel settlement anymore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaz... so I am not sure how you could say israeli were expanding in Gaza..
      - runarberg 3y ago
        It is not clear at this point whether or not the current military activity will be followed with settlements. There are certainly calls for that among some Israelis, even among high ranking members of the Israeli government. We should take those seriously. Only weeks following oct 7. Netanyahu announced new settlements in the Gaza envelope, meaning the part of Israel within rocket range from Gaza. There have been documented cases of Israel expending the buffer zone on the Palestinian side of the boarder wall. I would certainly call that expansion, even though the settlements them selves are within Israel’s territory, their security infrastructure results in land being taken away from Palestine.
dragonwriter 3y ago
> They attacked their neighbor, they will suffer consequences of the choices of their elected governors. Hamas is in no meaningful sense elected by the people of Gaza (the last election was before most people now living their were alive, much less eligible to vote); given that it is Israel that has blocked new all-Palestine elections in the last decade, Israel had had more say in choosing Hamas as the government in Gaza than the people fo Gaza have had. (And ministers in the current Israeli government have explicitly said they actively preferred to keep Hamas in power because the division between Hamas and the Fatah-led administration in the West Bank and the extremism of Hamas provides political cover against pressure to make peace and accept a Palestinian State.)
- roynasser 3y ago
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  - runarberg 3y ago
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      - runarberg 3y ago
        I really shouldn’t be engaging with this, and I’m in fact choosing to ignore the more problematic aspects of this—and previous—posts (which I fully expect to become flagged to death anyway). However I’m gonna engage with one point though (your strongest point). > the ICJ has already not accepted the accusations against Israel, That is simply not true. The ICJ has done no such thing. In fact they have accepted that there is a probably case and a risk of genocide. In fact, I’m gonna quote the summary of the verdict (from Wikipedia): > It is plausible that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza. The State of Israel must take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of genocide. If anything since this verdict was published, the case for genocide has become even more glaring. Just today Ireland announced they would intervene on behalf of South Africa in that case adding the blocking of aid to the charges against Israel[1]. The day before yesterday UN Human Rights Council’s Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories published a report[2]—which I have been quoting a lot lately—concluding: “there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating Israel’s commission of genocide is met.” Francesca Albanese further describes this genocidal rhetoric in her magnificent report: > One of the key findings is that Israel's executive and military leadership and soldiers have intentionally distorted jus in bello principles, subverting their protective functions, in an attempt to legitimize genocidal violence against the Palestinian people. 1: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/27/gaza-ireland-joins-battle-to-include-the-blocking-of-vital-aid-in-definition-of-genocide https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/27/gaza-ireland-j... 2: https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session55/advance-versions/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies...