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The people of Gaza were under Israeli occupation since 2005? Really?

by hersko 3y ago

mtalantikite 3y ago
Since 1967 [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip
- andsoitis 3y ago
  > Since 1967 [1] > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip More nuance would be helpful. The third paragraph from the article you linked says: In 2005, Israel unilaterally withdrew its military forces from Gaza, dismantled its settlements, and implemented a temporary blockade of Gaza. The blockade became indefinite after the 2007 Hamas takeover, supported by Egypt through restrictions on its land border with Gaza.[14] Despite the Israeli disengagement, the United Nations (UN), the International Committee of the Red Cross, and many human-rights organizations continue to consider Gaza to be held under Israeli military occupation, due to what they consider Israel's effective military control over the territory; Israel disputes that it occupies the territory.[15][16][17] The current blockade by Israel and Egypt prevents people and goods from freely entering or leaving the territory, leading to Gaza often being called an "open-air prison."[18][19] The UN, as well as at least 19 human-rights organizations, have urged Israel to lift the blockade.[20] Israel has justified its blockade on the strip with wanting to stop flow of arms, but Palestinians and rights groups say it amounts to collective punishment and exacerbates dire living conditions.
  - mtalantikite 3y ago
    Absolutely, which is why I linked the entire thing. Thanks!
- hersko 3y ago
  And what happened in 2005? > In 2005, Israel unilaterally withdrew its military forces from Gaza, dismantled its settlements, and implemented a temporary blockade of Gaza. The blockade became indefinite after the 2007 Hamas takeover, supported by Egypt through restrictions on its land border with Gaza. Also, I guess Egypt is also occupying Gaza according to you?
  - mtalantikite 3y ago
    Oh for sure, Egypt is not blameless here. Israel was of course involved in Rafah as well [1]. It doesn't matter if the prison guards are inside or just surrounding the prison, you're still in prison. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafah_Border_Crossing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafah_Border_Crossing
addicted 3y ago
Conveniently ignored is that it was under Egyptian “occupation” before that. And the only reason the “occupation” transferred to Israel is because Egypt lost a war it started.

The people of Gaza were under Israeli occupation since 2005? Really?

by hersko 3y ago

The people of Gaza were under Israeli occupation since 2005? Really?

mtalantikite 3y ago

Since 1967 [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip

andsoitis 3y ago
> Since 1967 [1] > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip More nuance would be helpful. The third paragraph from the article you linked says: In 2005, Israel unilaterally withdrew its military forces from Gaza, dismantled its settlements, and implemented a temporary blockade of Gaza. The blockade became indefinite after the 2007 Hamas takeover, supported by Egypt through restrictions on its land border with Gaza.[14] Despite the Israeli disengagement, the United Nations (UN), the International Committee of the Red Cross, and many human-rights organizations continue to consider Gaza to be held under Israeli military occupation, due to what they consider Israel's effective military control over the territory; Israel disputes that it occupies the territory.[15][16][17] The current blockade by Israel and Egypt prevents people and goods from freely entering or leaving the territory, leading to Gaza often being called an "open-air prison."[18][19] The UN, as well as at least 19 human-rights organizations, have urged Israel to lift the blockade.[20] Israel has justified its blockade on the strip with wanting to stop flow of arms, but Palestinians and rights groups say it amounts to collective punishment and exacerbates dire living conditions.
- mtalantikite 3y ago
  Absolutely, which is why I linked the entire thing. Thanks!
hersko 3y ago
And what happened in 2005? > In 2005, Israel unilaterally withdrew its military forces from Gaza, dismantled its settlements, and implemented a temporary blockade of Gaza. The blockade became indefinite after the 2007 Hamas takeover, supported by Egypt through restrictions on its land border with Gaza. Also, I guess Egypt is also occupying Gaza according to you?
- mtalantikite 3y ago
  Oh for sure, Egypt is not blameless here. Israel was of course involved in Rafah as well [1]. It doesn't matter if the prison guards are inside or just surrounding the prison, you're still in prison. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafah_Border_Crossing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafah_Border_Crossing

addicted 3y ago

Conveniently ignored is that it was under Egyptian “occupation” before that. And the only reason the “occupation” transferred to Israel is because Egypt lost a war it started.