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Apparently Hamas is the only thing that matters to some. That there are many people in the area affected by the conflict is not material. This one is the bluepr

by cowpig 3y ago

Apparently Hamas is the only thing that matters to some. That there are many people in the area affected by the conflict is not material. This one is the blueprint for something truly dystopian.

gadders 3y ago
This is most wars, no? It's not always tank battles in open fields.
- cowpig 3y ago
  Is the implication that when you label something a "war" it becomes justified? That this happens a lot and is therefore ok? I'm trying to find a charitable way to interpret your reply.
  - hersko 3y ago
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  - gadders 3y ago
    No, not at all. I'm saying when there is military action in an urban area, there will be civilian casualties. In this case it is Israel against Hamas in Gaza. Probably the same thing happened with the US against Iraqi terrorists in Fallujah. I'm not Jewish or Muslim so don't really have a dog in this fight.
    - defrost 3y ago
      Not quite the same . . . With Fallujah the Red Cross estimated directly following the battle that some 800 civilians had been killed during the offensive. The Iraq Body Count project reported between 581 and 670 civilian deaths resulting from the battle. Whereas as of 29 February, the Gaza Health Ministry reports that at least 30,000 Palestinians (including over 10,000 minors) have been killed, over 70,000 injured, and 10,000 are missing under rubble, totaling over 110,000 casualties since the war began, which is about 5% of Gaza's 2.3 million population.
- bluefishinit 3y ago
  No. There are such a thing as war crimes and Israel has documented themselves committing them nearly continuously since October 7th.
  - gadders 3y ago
    I mean, they may have. What would you call the Hamas attack on Israeli civilians?
    - bluefishinit 3y ago
      Resistance against occupation.
      - gryzzly 3y ago
        what about ISIS? or al-Qaeda? you like that type resistance i understand.
Traubenfuchs 3y ago
The majority of palestinians support hamas, blurring the lines of distinction between hamas agent and civilian. https://themedialine.org/top-stories/poll-reveals-persistent-palestinian-support-for-hamas-attacks-on-israel https://themedialine.org/top-stories/poll-reveals-persistent...
- LtWorf 3y ago
  You mean they support the people who fight the guys who bomb and starve them every day? How shocking! /s
  - hotdogscout 3y ago
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    - LtWorf 3y ago
      Nobody was bombing germany before they invaded austria, czechia and poland.
      - hotdogscout 3y ago
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runarberg 3y ago
This is part of Israel’s playbook to justify genocide. UN special rapporteur’s report on the ongoing genocide described this practice as: “Humanitarian camouflage: distorting the laws of war to conceal genocidal intent”[1] (chapter VI). Of course you cannot use alleged warcrimes of the enemy—be they real or fabricated—to consistently strip rights of live from a civilian population. 1: https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session55/advance-versions/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies...

by cowpig 3y ago

Apparently Hamas is the only thing that matters to some. That there are many people in the area affected by the conflict is not material. This one is the blueprint for something truly dystopian.

gadders 3y ago

This is most wars, no? It's not always tank battles in open fields.

cowpig 3y ago
Is the implication that when you label something a "war" it becomes justified? That this happens a lot and is therefore ok? I'm trying to find a charitable way to interpret your reply.
- hersko 3y ago
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- gadders 3y ago
  No, not at all. I'm saying when there is military action in an urban area, there will be civilian casualties. In this case it is Israel against Hamas in Gaza. Probably the same thing happened with the US against Iraqi terrorists in Fallujah. I'm not Jewish or Muslim so don't really have a dog in this fight.
  - defrost 3y ago
    Not quite the same . . . With Fallujah the Red Cross estimated directly following the battle that some 800 civilians had been killed during the offensive. The Iraq Body Count project reported between 581 and 670 civilian deaths resulting from the battle. Whereas as of 29 February, the Gaza Health Ministry reports that at least 30,000 Palestinians (including over 10,000 minors) have been killed, over 70,000 injured, and 10,000 are missing under rubble, totaling over 110,000 casualties since the war began, which is about 5% of Gaza's 2.3 million population.
bluefishinit 3y ago
No. There are such a thing as war crimes and Israel has documented themselves committing them nearly continuously since October 7th.
- gadders 3y ago
  I mean, they may have. What would you call the Hamas attack on Israeli civilians?
  - bluefishinit 3y ago
    Resistance against occupation.
    - gryzzly 3y ago
      what about ISIS? or al-Qaeda? you like that type resistance i understand.

Traubenfuchs 3y ago

The majority of palestinians support hamas, blurring the lines of distinction between hamas agent and civilian. https://themedialine.org/top-stories/poll-reveals-persistent-palestinian-support-for-hamas-attacks-on-israel https://themedialine.org/top-stories/poll-reveals-persistent...

LtWorf 3y ago
You mean they support the people who fight the guys who bomb and starve them every day? How shocking! /s
- hotdogscout 3y ago
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  - LtWorf 3y ago
    Nobody was bombing germany before they invaded austria, czechia and poland.
    - hotdogscout 3y ago
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        hotdogscout 3y ago
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runarberg 3y ago

This is part of Israel’s playbook to justify genocide. UN special rapporteur’s report on the ongoing genocide described this practice as: “Humanitarian camouflage: distorting the laws of war to conceal genocidal intent”[1] (chapter VI). Of course you cannot use alleged warcrimes of the enemy—be they real or fabricated—to consistently strip rights of live from a civilian population. 1: https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session55/advance-versions/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies...