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> “You’ll own nothing and be happy”, remember? > They convinced young women that it’s a sign of independence to have an OF, the Europeans that Russia is an ene

> “You’ll own nothing and be happy”, remember? > They convinced young women that it’s a sign of independence to have an OF, the Europeans that Russia is an enemy, and half the western population that men can be women. The latter has absolutely zero to do with the former, it's just a grab bag of reactionary culture complaints (and the Russia one is just straightforwardly true). Which, ironically, is exactly what the global elites really want people to do: divide themselves over cultural issues and spend all of their time arguing with each other rather than come together and examine the financial system we all live under.

mantas 3y ago
Catch-22. If you sign off on postmodern culture, you loose. If you argue over talking points of postmodern culture, you loose.
- afavour 3y ago
  > If you sign off on postmodern culture, you loose. In what way? To take OP's examples, in what way do I lose when OnlyFans exists, or when people are able to change their gender if they wish to?
  - mantas 3y ago
    As in you loose agains „the elites“. IMO the current dopamine and consumption driven culture only benefits a very small slice of the society. While externalized costs ruin many lives. Mental and physical health is going down the drain and nobody cares. E.g. obesity pandemic, drugs abuse and so on. People don't abuse junk food because of happiness and content. And yet we all end up paying, at least in countries with state health insurance :) We as a society are at a loss when people think OnlyFans is a viable career path. Or a hobby, which is even worse. OF is the same as prostitution. Vast majority (if not all) people end up there for very sad reasons and we as a society should strive to eliminate it. Normalizing such abuse of the vulnerable is even worse. Many cases of gender „change“ are similar symptoms of long running abuse we as a society normalize. E.g. trans athletes. Or over-sexualized display of how some people envision what it is to be a woman.
  - lIIlI 3y ago
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    - janetmissed 3y ago
      it always bums me out to see inflammatory comments like this on hn. also you're wrong and dumb and all that
      - lIIlI 3y ago
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    - afavour 3y ago
      Can you elaborate? Have there been a spate of attacks in bathrooms from transgendered folks that I've missed? They are, of course, still single-gender spaces. What exactly is lost when losing a single-sex space while keeping it to a single gender?
      - lIIlI 3y ago
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        afavour 3y ago
        > In some jurisdictions, women's prisons have been incarcerating males who say they are women. Some of these males have then subsequently raped, sexually assaulted and even impregnated female inmates who have been forced to cohabit with them. Do you have any citations? I’d be fascinated to read.
        defrost 3y ago
        Statistically it barely registers against a backdrop of male guards raping and impregnating women in womens prison. ie. While technically 'true' it's a massive amplification of an anti trans talking point at the expense a mauch larger real issue that's ignored .. because the propogators don't actually care about women in prison, that's just a mask of concern for the sake of the pretence.

mantas 3y ago

Catch-22. If you sign off on postmodern culture, you loose. If you argue over talking points of postmodern culture, you loose.

afavour 3y ago
> If you sign off on postmodern culture, you loose. In what way? To take OP's examples, in what way do I lose when OnlyFans exists, or when people are able to change their gender if they wish to?
- mantas 3y ago
  As in you loose agains „the elites“. IMO the current dopamine and consumption driven culture only benefits a very small slice of the society. While externalized costs ruin many lives. Mental and physical health is going down the drain and nobody cares. E.g. obesity pandemic, drugs abuse and so on. People don't abuse junk food because of happiness and content. And yet we all end up paying, at least in countries with state health insurance :) We as a society are at a loss when people think OnlyFans is a viable career path. Or a hobby, which is even worse. OF is the same as prostitution. Vast majority (if not all) people end up there for very sad reasons and we as a society should strive to eliminate it. Normalizing such abuse of the vulnerable is even worse. Many cases of gender „change“ are similar symptoms of long running abuse we as a society normalize. E.g. trans athletes. Or over-sexualized display of how some people envision what it is to be a woman.
- lIIlI 3y ago
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  - janetmissed 3y ago
    it always bums me out to see inflammatory comments like this on hn. also you're wrong and dumb and all that
    - lIIlI 3y ago
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  - afavour 3y ago
    Can you elaborate? Have there been a spate of attacks in bathrooms from transgendered folks that I've missed? They are, of course, still single-gender spaces. What exactly is lost when losing a single-sex space while keeping it to a single gender?
    - lIIlI 3y ago
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      - afavour 3y ago
        > In some jurisdictions, women's prisons have been incarcerating males who say they are women. Some of these males have then subsequently raped, sexually assaulted and even impregnated female inmates who have been forced to cohabit with them. Do you have any citations? I’d be fascinated to read.
        defrost 3y ago
        Statistically it barely registers against a backdrop of male guards raping and impregnating women in womens prison. ie. While technically 'true' it's a massive amplification of an anti trans talking point at the expense a mauch larger real issue that's ignored .. because the propogators don't actually care about women in prison, that's just a mask of concern for the sake of the pretence.