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Israel deciding Gazans right to privacy, or how little, is absurd.
by ilrwbwrkhv 3y ago
Israel deciding Gazans right to privacy, or how little, is absurd.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago[flagged]
- cowpig 3y agoApparently Hamas is the only thing that matters to some. That there are many people in the area affected by the conflict is not material. This one is the blueprint for something truly dystopian.
- gadders 3y agoThis is most wars, no? It's not always tank battles in open fields.
- cowpig 3y agoIs the implication that when you label something a "war" it becomes justified? That this happens a lot and is therefore ok? I'm trying to find a charitable way to interpret your reply.
- hersko 3y ago[flagged]
- gadders 3y agoNo, not at all. I'm saying when there is military action in an urban area, there will be civilian casualties. In this case it is Israel against Hamas in Gaza. Probably the same thing happened with the US against Iraqi terrorists in Fallujah. I'm not Jewish or Muslim so don't really have a dog in this fight.
- defrost 3y agoNot quite the same . . . With Fallujah the Red Cross estimated directly following the battle that some 800 civilians had been killed during the offensive. The Iraq Body Count project reported between 581 and 670 civilian deaths resulting from the battle. Whereas as of 29 February, the Gaza Health Ministry reports that at least 30,000 Palestinians (including over 10,000 minors) have been killed, over 70,000 injured, and 10,000 are missing under rubble, totaling over 110,000 casualties since the war began, which is about 5% of Gaza's 2.3 million population.
- bluefishinit 3y agoNo. There are such a thing as war crimes and Israel has documented themselves committing them nearly continuously since October 7th.
- gadders 3y agoI mean, they may have. What would you call the Hamas attack on Israeli civilians?
- bluefishinit 3y agoResistance against occupation.
- gryzzly 3y agowhat about ISIS? or al-Qaeda? you like that type resistance i understand.
- Traubenfuchs 3y agoThe majority of palestinians support hamas, blurring the lines of distinction between hamas agent and civilian. https://themedialine.org/top-stories/poll-reveals-persistent-palestinian-support-for-hamas-attacks-on-israel https://themedialine.org/top-stories/poll-reveals-persistent...
- LtWorf 3y agoYou mean they support the people who fight the guys who bomb and starve them every day? How shocking! /s
- hotdogscout 3y ago[flagged]
- LtWorf 3y agoNobody was bombing germany before they invaded austria, czechia and poland.
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- runarberg 3y agoThis is part of Israel’s playbook to justify genocide. UN special rapporteur’s report on the ongoing genocide described this practice as: “Humanitarian camouflage: distorting the laws of war to conceal genocidal intent”[1] (chapter VI). Of course you cannot use alleged warcrimes of the enemy—be they real or fabricated—to consistently strip rights of live from a civilian population. 1: https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session55/advance-versions/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies...
- pierat 3y ago[flagged]
- hersko 3y ago> a few thousand freedom fighters/terrorists They are literally the internationally recognized government of the Gaza Strip.
- gryzzly 3y agoplease stop using the term holocaust. as horrific as destruction in gaza is, it is not a systemic annihilation of millions. it is unfair to the victims of holocaust and is unacceptable use of the term
- pierat 3y agoThe moment Israel started dropping white phosphorus bombs on the Gaza strip turned it into a literal "holocaust" (destruction or slaughter on a mass scale, especially caused by fire or nuclear war). And, they've been dropping white phosphorus since 2009. https://www.denverpost.com/2009/01/11/israel-accused-of-using-white-phosphorus/ https://www.denverpost.com/2009/01/11/israel-accused-of-usin... Prior to that, it was "just" a garden variety genocide, enforced by apartheid and with enforced starvation of at least 1.1 million people. It is NOT "The Holocaust" (event in World War 2), but it ABSOLUTELY is *a* holocaust. I would have thought the descendants of The Holocaust who ended up in Israel would have remembered the horrors, and actually believed in "Never Again" for all peoples. But it really meant "Never again to us". EDIT: To gryzzly : I would appreciate where I'm being "hateful". And you claim lies. What exactly am I lying about? Your pattern of "discourse" here is just fly-by namecalling slurs. Hopefully you'll change that. to hotdogscout: I'm using the strict definitions of genocide, holocaust, and apartheid. And "October 7 was worse than anything Israel did. If you have a better way to get the hostages back and guarantee this doesn't happen again I'm all ears. " The answer has ALWAYS been "2 state solution", to of which Israel's response is bulldoze, subjugate, bomb, murder. Its completely unsurprising that the ones subject to such extreme violence on a mass scale (genocide enters chat) invokes people who are willing to stand up to such extreme violence. If this was compared to that other war going on, Israel is the Russia as the murdering and invading force, and Palestine is Ukraine and those defending their homes and themselves from mass destruction and death.
- YugyDugan 3y ago[flagged]
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- zogrodea 3y agoI don't think anyone mentioned Jews before who are just normal humans like everyone else here. It's just simple to see that there are pretty heavy-handed actions taken by Western leaders in support of the Zionist (not Jewish) state, like the president of the most powerful country in the world bypassing congress to send military help (like weapons) to the state. Not all Americans agree with his decision though some do. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/senate-democrats-push-to-require-that-biden-consult-congress-on-weapons-sales-to-israel https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/senate-democrats-push-... (I see after I posted this comment that the person you are replying to did state that most bad things happen because of the Jews which is not something I would say, and many critics of the Zionist state would not.)
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- bcrosby95 3y agoI think they have bigger things to worry about. Like not starving to death.
- workfromspace 3y agoPerhaps they have a distribution problem instead https://twitter.com/DanLinnaeus/status/1769048206225076573 https://twitter.com/DanLinnaeus/status/1769048206225076573
- anon291 3y agothe right to privacy is a civil right, not a natural one.
- runarberg 3y agoIf so, then this is a case of an occupier deciding which civil rights their occupied peoples have. Which makes this an apartheid practice. Which does not make this look better.
- anon291 3y agoWell yeah that's how occupations work. No it's not apartheid, sorry.
- runarberg 3y agoIt does not. Iraqi citizens were not stripped of their civil rights during eight years of American occupation*. An occupying power has responsibility to the civilian population which they occupy, and does not grant rights on dictating which civil rights they have. That is for their own government to decide. I know this is not a case of apartheid, btw. I was only rebutting your claim that if this were a civil right issue, then it would somehow be OK. But if you were right that it was just a civil right issue, then it wouldn’t. You can’t occupy a state, and strip them of rights which your own citizens have. That is apartheid. But what is going on here is not apartheid, it is a war crime. Israel isn’t merely stripping occupied citizens of their rights. Israel is a annulling any distinction between a civilian and combatants, and treating the entire civilian population as combatants, including by employing dubious mass surveillance tactics. --- * Edit, to clarify. Many Iraqi citizens were indeed stripped of their civil rights (as we know from documents leaked by Chelsea Manning). However those cases constituted war crimes and in some cases the criminals were even prosecuted and found guilty.
- dlubarov 3y ago> Israel is a annulling any distinction between a civilian and combatants, and treating the entire civilian population as combatants, including by employing dubious mass surveillance tactics. By dressing soldiers in civilian clothes, Hamas forces Israel to guess who is or isn't a combatant. Given that Israel has to make such calls, shouldn't they collect all available information to make them as accurately as they can? Shouldn't we be more concerned about mistakes (leading to civilians deaths) than about privacy?
- chasil 3y agoA year ago, I would have discounted all of the recent events as bad fiction. It is a great sadness that plays in the "theater of the absurd."