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The allies did something similar in Iraq and Afghanistan[1]. Biometrics make the most sense if you need to track people and there is no stable/reliable governme
by hersko 3y ago
The allies did something similar in Iraq and Afghanistan[1]. Biometrics make the most sense if you need to track people and there is no stable/reliable government.
[1]https://privacyinternational.org/sites/default/files/2021-06/Biometrics%20for%20Counter-Terrorism-%20Case%20study%20of%20the%20U.S.%20military%20in%20Iraq%20and%20Afghanistan%20-%20Nina%20Toft%20Djanegara%20-%20v6.pdf https://privacyinternational.org/sites/default/files/2021-06...
- aredox 3y agoAnd then the Talibans now have it all. https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/03/30/new-evidence-biometric-data-systems-imperil-afghans https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/03/30/new-evidence-biometric-d...
- rakoo 3y agoAnd why do you need to track people ? Why is there no stable/reliable government ? Is this helping ?
- hersko 3y ago[flagged]
- potatototoo99 3y agoThe people didn't elect their government, the prisoners under Israeli military occupation since 2005 did.
- AnimalMuppet 3y agoThey were more free to vote in that election than they have been since...
- hersko 3y agoThe people of Gaza were under Israeli occupation since 2005? Really?
- mtalantikite 3y agoSince 1967 [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip
- andsoitis 3y ago> Since 1967 [1] > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip More nuance would be helpful. The third paragraph from the article you linked says: In 2005, Israel unilaterally withdrew its military forces from Gaza, dismantled its settlements, and implemented a temporary blockade of Gaza. The blockade became indefinite after the 2007 Hamas takeover, supported by Egypt through restrictions on its land border with Gaza.[14] Despite the Israeli disengagement, the United Nations (UN), the International Committee of the Red Cross, and many human-rights organizations continue to consider Gaza to be held under Israeli military occupation, due to what they consider Israel's effective military control over the territory; Israel disputes that it occupies the territory.[15][16][17] The current blockade by Israel and Egypt prevents people and goods from freely entering or leaving the territory, leading to Gaza often being called an "open-air prison."[18][19] The UN, as well as at least 19 human-rights organizations, have urged Israel to lift the blockade.[20] Israel has justified its blockade on the strip with wanting to stop flow of arms, but Palestinians and rights groups say it amounts to collective punishment and exacerbates dire living conditions.
- mtalantikite 3y agoAbsolutely, which is why I linked the entire thing. Thanks!
- hersko 3y agoAnd what happened in 2005? > In 2005, Israel unilaterally withdrew its military forces from Gaza, dismantled its settlements, and implemented a temporary blockade of Gaza. The blockade became indefinite after the 2007 Hamas takeover, supported by Egypt through restrictions on its land border with Gaza. Also, I guess Egypt is also occupying Gaza according to you?
- andsoitis 3y ago> The people didn't elect their government, the prisoners under Israeli military occupation since 2005 did. From https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/24/gaza-election-hamas-2006-palestine-israel/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/24/gaza-electio... In 2006, the Palestinian political entity operating in the West Bank and Gaza staged elections. Little did observers know that it would be the last vote allowed by the Palestinian Authority, led then, as it is now, by President Mahmoud Abbas. The vote took place in the aftermath of a turbulent series of events: the fiery years of the second intifada, the death of longtime Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, and the 2005 Israeli withdrawal of troops and settlers from the Gaza Strip. The election yielded a shock victory for Hamas, which won the most seats with some 44 percent of the vote.
- guappa 3y ago[flagged]
- andsoitis 3y ago> they didn't know what hamas would do in the future "Almost three in four Palestinians believe the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas on Israel was correct" - https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/# https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palesti... Further in the artcle: "Seventy-two percent of respondents said they believed the Hamas decision to launch the cross-border rampage in southern Israel was "correct" given its outcome so far, while 22% said it was "incorrect". The remainder were undecided or gave no answer."
- guappa 3y ago> Because the people elected a genocidal terrorist group as their government which then decided to attack their far more powerful neighbor. Please stop pretending that this conflict started last October. Also the last elections happened a long long time ago.
- hersko 3y agoI don't think it started in October. I think it started in 2007 when said genocidal terrorist group was elected.
- ch4s3 3y ago> And why do you need to track people They're looking for specific hamas commanders who are believed to be hiding in the civilian population.
- zakki 3y agoAnd they will record everything just like Google, Facebook, etc. Fingerprinting everything.
- guappa 3y agoGiven how accurate these systems usually are… they are looking for some rando with a beard, and a way to spend some money on defense contracts sold by a friend.
- hersko 3y agoAre biometric systems not accurate? The whole point of this is so that they aren't "looking for some rando with a beard."
- guappa 3y ago> Are biometric systems not accurate? They are very inaccurate, especially face recognition on dark people, which palestinians are, is going to be a crapshot.
- ch4s3 3y agoI responded below about how they're probably training on photos of locals, but it's also worth noting that Palestinians, Israelis, and Lebanese people are all quite similar looking on average and have quite a bit of phenotype diversity. A well known Palestinian activist (Ahed Tamimi) in the West Bank famously has red hair, light skin, and freckles. Former congressman Justin Amash is half Palestinian and just looks like a Midwestern guy with a tan.
- guappa 3y ago
- jonfw 3y agoYou would certainly want to track people if you were fighting a war where military leaders of the opposition tried to blend into a densely populated civilian neighborhood
- anon291 3y agoI think many Westerners take stable / reliable governance for granted and are clueless as to the 'typical' state of humanity.
- bluefishinit 3y agoGaza was under complete blockade from Israel (after it was occupied by it). That's not an environment you can create reliable governance since it wasn't allowed to be a sovereign state.