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we all know it isn't as obtuse as this. LLMs are all tweaked to be much more PC and non-offensive. So much so that we get BIPOC Nazis in image generation tasks

by h4ch1 3y ago

we all know it isn't as obtuse as this. LLMs are all tweaked to be much more PC and non-offensive. So much so that we get BIPOC Nazis in image generation tasks https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/22/technology/google-gemini-german-uniforms.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/22/technology/google-gemini-...

anoncareer0212 3y ago
"all tweaked to be much more PC and non-offensive." No, that's not why. An LLM was instructed to do prompt injection into image generations to increase diversity. The 2nd red pill is Open AI does this but you hear 0 about it because people enjoy ranting about what is in front of them much more than curiosity. Yesterday, prompt: founding fathers Injected: "...Caucasian, Black, and South Asian, their gender ratios balanced" https://x.com/jpohhhh/status/1772668958581150080?s=20 https://x.com/jpohhhh/status/1772668958581150080?s=20
- simonw 3y ago
  Yeah, I'm surprised how little comparison there was to how DALL-E prompting works given it has very similar rules baked in: https://simonwillison.net/2023/Oct/26/add-a-walrus/#the-leaked-dall-e-prompt https://simonwillison.net/2023/Oct/26/add-a-walrus/#the-leak...
- h4ch1 3y ago
  That was one example, in an ideal world where an LLM just spouts out human knowledge, there are no holds barred. There's enough literature online, blog posts, textfiles on how to synthesize drugs, build your own weapons, but try prompting GPT, Gemini or any other major LLM out there you'd get a virtue signalling paragraph on why you're a bad person for even thinking about this. Personally I don't care about this stuff, but in principle, the lack of the former points to LLMs being tweaked to be "safe".
  - anoncareer0212 3y ago
    I don't think you're going to find much support for: A) "virtue signalling is when you don't give me drug recipes and 'build weapon' instructions" B) "Private company LLMs are morally wrong to virtue signal (as I defined it in A)" I'm sorry. I wish the best for everyone and hope they can live in their own best possible world, and in this case...better to break the news, than let you hope for it eternally in disappointment, which feels Sisyphus-ian/I'm infantalizing you. Happy to discuss more on why there isn't majority support for instant on-demand distribution of drug and weapon recipes, I don't want you to feel like I'm just asserting something.
HarHarVeryFunny 3y ago
I don't think Gemini's behavior (which matches that of Google image search btw) is related to trying to make Gemini safe. This was done deliberately as part of Google's corporate values of "diversity" gone mad.
- anoncareer0212 3y ago
  No, two unrelated things (one is Google Image Search, one is Gemini), and you didn't read the post. (n.b. not Gemini) I did predict on this forum about a year ago that the DEI excesses people complained about at their own companies would become "Google" because people were assuming Google was doing what they were doing at their own companies, because their own companies thought they were following the leader with their own weird stuff. I'll even share the real inside scoop with you, which I'm told has leaked widely at this point. Gemini was failing evaluations miserably for "picture of a smart person", and over-eager leadership decided "DAMN THE TORPEDOES, PAPA SUNDAR NEEDS US TO RUSH OUT A CRAPPY LLM DURING THE SLEEPY HOLIDAY NEWS CYCLE. CRANK UP THE PROMPT INJECTION" (source: I worked at Google through October 2023, sourcing for inside scoop is yet another Google flunkey run over by crappy management)
  - HarHarVeryFunny 3y ago
    Try Google image search for "white couple" vs "black couple" or "asian couple". It'll happily give you what you ask for as long it's not white. If you ask for white couples then 1/4 of them are mixed-race. Maybe unrelated in terms of implementation, but same deliberate choice has been made.
    - anoncareer0212 3y ago
      Oh, my bad, you're just doing old conspiracies that are completely unrelated to the thread because you got really upset when you saw the idea that insidious Google DEI Sith are forcing you to see non-white people to reprogram the populace. -- aka you saw ragebait about a 2 word query and couldn't think of any other possible explanation for why 'white couple' might turn up black people on a white background. or maybe just didn't look at the query at all. Carry on, you do you, self-peasantization is self-correcting.

by h4ch1 3y ago

anoncareer0212 3y ago

"all tweaked to be much more PC and non-offensive." No, that's not why. An LLM was instructed to do prompt injection into image generations to increase diversity. The 2nd red pill is Open AI does this but you hear 0 about it because people enjoy ranting about what is in front of them much more than curiosity. Yesterday, prompt: founding fathers Injected: "...Caucasian, Black, and South Asian, their gender ratios balanced" https://x.com/jpohhhh/status/1772668958581150080?s=20 https://x.com/jpohhhh/status/1772668958581150080?s=20

simonw 3y ago
Yeah, I'm surprised how little comparison there was to how DALL-E prompting works given it has very similar rules baked in: https://simonwillison.net/2023/Oct/26/add-a-walrus/#the-leaked-dall-e-prompt https://simonwillison.net/2023/Oct/26/add-a-walrus/#the-leak...
h4ch1 3y ago
That was one example, in an ideal world where an LLM just spouts out human knowledge, there are no holds barred. There's enough literature online, blog posts, textfiles on how to synthesize drugs, build your own weapons, but try prompting GPT, Gemini or any other major LLM out there you'd get a virtue signalling paragraph on why you're a bad person for even thinking about this. Personally I don't care about this stuff, but in principle, the lack of the former points to LLMs being tweaked to be "safe".
- anoncareer0212 3y ago
  I don't think you're going to find much support for: A) "virtue signalling is when you don't give me drug recipes and 'build weapon' instructions" B) "Private company LLMs are morally wrong to virtue signal (as I defined it in A)" I'm sorry. I wish the best for everyone and hope they can live in their own best possible world, and in this case...better to break the news, than let you hope for it eternally in disappointment, which feels Sisyphus-ian/I'm infantalizing you. Happy to discuss more on why there isn't majority support for instant on-demand distribution of drug and weapon recipes, I don't want you to feel like I'm just asserting something.

HarHarVeryFunny 3y ago

I don't think Gemini's behavior (which matches that of Google image search btw) is related to trying to make Gemini safe. This was done deliberately as part of Google's corporate values of "diversity" gone mad.

anoncareer0212 3y ago
No, two unrelated things (one is Google Image Search, one is Gemini), and you didn't read the post. (n.b. not Gemini) I did predict on this forum about a year ago that the DEI excesses people complained about at their own companies would become "Google" because people were assuming Google was doing what they were doing at their own companies, because their own companies thought they were following the leader with their own weird stuff. I'll even share the real inside scoop with you, which I'm told has leaked widely at this point. Gemini was failing evaluations miserably for "picture of a smart person", and over-eager leadership decided "DAMN THE TORPEDOES, PAPA SUNDAR NEEDS US TO RUSH OUT A CRAPPY LLM DURING THE SLEEPY HOLIDAY NEWS CYCLE. CRANK UP THE PROMPT INJECTION" (source: I worked at Google through October 2023, sourcing for inside scoop is yet another Google flunkey run over by crappy management)
- HarHarVeryFunny 3y ago
  Try Google image search for "white couple" vs "black couple" or "asian couple". It'll happily give you what you ask for as long it's not white. If you ask for white couples then 1/4 of them are mixed-race. Maybe unrelated in terms of implementation, but same deliberate choice has been made.
  - anoncareer0212 3y ago
    Oh, my bad, you're just doing old conspiracies that are completely unrelated to the thread because you got really upset when you saw the idea that insidious Google DEI Sith are forcing you to see non-white people to reprogram the populace. -- aka you saw ragebait about a 2 word query and couldn't think of any other possible explanation for why 'white couple' might turn up black people on a white background. or maybe just didn't look at the query at all. Carry on, you do you, self-peasantization is self-correcting.