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Everything can be a process. If some individual is truly fully responsible for a screwup, what process allowed the person to get that far?

• robertlagrant 3y ago
  If I as a professional footballer repeatedly foul people, which process is at fault when no one else around me does that? Unless you just call everything a process: "His childhood was difficult and that's why he fouls people. Let's call his childhood a process." I think at some point you have to say that some things are not processes, or cannot usefully described as such. Or they devolve into Zeno's paradox.
  • sokoloff 3y ago
    > If I as a professional footballer repeatedly foul people, which process is at fault when no one else around me does that? The process that hasn't cut you from the football team.
  • mschuster91 3y ago
    > Unless you just call everything a process: "His childhood was difficult and that's why he fouls people. Let's call his childhood a process." Well... attempting to prevent stuff like bullying or domestic violence is a worthwhile goal in itself. For the example of the soccer player, one might also question other incentives (e.g. bonuses tied to winning games no-matter-what), or why a player with a known history was hired in the first place.
    • robertlagrant 3y ago
      > Well... attempting to prevent stuff like bullying or domestic violence is a worthwhile goal in itself. Obviously a worthwhile goal, but not a process failure on the part of the football team.
  • mlrtime 3y ago
    A foul is a statistic that is easily countable. If goals are greater than fouls then it may make sense to keep that footballer anyway. I hope we aren't using football as an analogy for avionic engineering with 1000's of people.
• ejb999 3y ago
  I disagree - if 'everything can be a process' we wouldn't need human judgement anywhere - and clearly we clearly still do need humans in the loop - and the reality is the judgement of humans is not all created equal. Some are better than others.
  • qznc 3y ago
    A process may include human judgement. I don't get your disagreement.