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Stellantis, which is the result of lots of mergers that include Fiat, now makes quite a few successful electrical cars. Including some low end cheap ones around

Stellantis, which is the result of lots of mergers that include Fiat, now makes quite a few successful electrical cars. Including some low end cheap ones around 20K euro. And a few city cars priced even cheaper than that. So, they are a bit ahead of other manufacturers that are looking to catch up in the next few years to where Stellantis is right now. This CEO was involved with the acquisition of Chrysler after they went bankrupt. That combination is generally considered successful and it was a major coup for Fiat which until then had no real presence in the US. Stellantis which they are now a part of seems to do well lately; including in the US where they have a few iconic brands. Stellantis market share grew quite a bit last year. And they are launching lots of EVs for the different brands in their company this year targeting markets all over the world. Fiat as a brand still exists and Stellantis still has production and R&D in Italy. Though they did announce some layoffs in Italy recently.

_giorgio_ 3y ago
Do you understand that a tsla in California is priced as much as a fiat 500 electric in Italy? That's crazy. I mean, the fiat 500 has an engineering significance that it 1/100 of any tesla.
- jillesvangurp 3y ago
  The Fiat is desirable from a design point of view. I think prices are around the 30K mark in Europe. So a bit cheaper than a Tesla. I've no idea what the Californian market is for these things. Teslas are nice in other ways but they aren't that special from a design point of view. It's a bit of a bland, inoffensive and generic look. Stellantis has other cars based on the same tech and platform that are even more affordable. The new Citroen e-C3 starts around 20K euros. That's one of the more basic Stellantis offerings. Well below what Tesla is planning/rumored to launch next year or so. I doubt they will sell that in the US. And import tariffs keep a lot of otherwise fine cars off the market there.
datavirtue 3y ago
I was not expecting the design of the new Charger EV to be so inspired. My head hasn't been turned by a car since the 2014 Chevy Impala. This new Charger is an order of magnitude beyond that.

_giorgio_ 3y ago

Do you understand that a tsla in California is priced as much as a fiat 500 electric in Italy? That's crazy. I mean, the fiat 500 has an engineering significance that it 1/100 of any tesla.

jillesvangurp 3y ago
The Fiat is desirable from a design point of view. I think prices are around the 30K mark in Europe. So a bit cheaper than a Tesla. I've no idea what the Californian market is for these things. Teslas are nice in other ways but they aren't that special from a design point of view. It's a bit of a bland, inoffensive and generic look. Stellantis has other cars based on the same tech and platform that are even more affordable. The new Citroen e-C3 starts around 20K euros. That's one of the more basic Stellantis offerings. Well below what Tesla is planning/rumored to launch next year or so. I doubt they will sell that in the US. And import tariffs keep a lot of otherwise fine cars off the market there.

datavirtue 3y ago

I was not expecting the design of the new Charger EV to be so inspired. My head hasn't been turned by a car since the 2014 Chevy Impala. This new Charger is an order of magnitude beyond that.