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Eh, look, I think there are times when you should withhold information and can do so ethically. If you really want something desperately in a negotiation, best
by djao 3y ago
Eh, look, I think there are times when you should withhold information and can do so ethically. If you really want something desperately in a negotiation, best not to let them know how desperate you are. But I don't feel that financing is one of those situations. If I know that I won't finance but I choose to lead the dealer to believe that I might finance, then the price I get in the end isn't the true price, it's the "price assuming I finance." The dealer won't be happy, and you know what they say about car buying -- you're buying the dealer as much as you're buying the car.
Ever since Tesla has emerged as an alternative, there's just no point in going to a dealership anymore. Tesla doesn't care how I pay them.
- hnburnsy 3y agoAgreed on the Tesla, on my second.
- redbonsai 3y agoBut then you have to drive a Tesla? Limiting the available cars you’re willing to purchase strictly to adhere to a perceived moral high ground feels incredibly naive to me. And privileged, tbh. Teslas are in no way affordable.
- redserk 3y agoWho buys a car for themselves based on an arbitrary criteria of what other, unrelated people can afford? The person buying the car shouldn’t be shamed for prioritizing what they feel is important in the buying process. It’s being driven by the person buying the car, not the broader public.
- djao 3y agoA Tesla costs less than an average new car in America. If Teslas are unaffordable, then so are other new cars. I also mentioned buying used cars. My approach in no way limits the range of cars available for me to purchase. If you don't like it, well, it's my life, not yours, and I detest the dealership experience. I get to live my life how I want. In a nation of entitled whiners, this is the one thing we are truly entitled to do. You can be different.
- semiquaver 3y ago> A Tesla costs less than an average new car in America. If Teslas are unaffordable, then so are other new cars. Not if you compare apples to apples. The cheapest model 3 is significantly more expensive than a Toyota or Kia with equivalent seating and trim. People with kids will end up paying 90-100K for the model X vs minivans which are in the 35-40K range. Tesla has a luxury premium and it’s a bit silly to claim otherwise.
- djao 3y agoAn apples to apples comparison means ... you should be picking cars that are roughly equal in price. You didn't. So it isn't an apples to apples comparison. You're contradicting yourself. Look up what the word "average" means. If you are accusing Tesla buyers of buying privileged expensive cars, then you are necessarily also accusing the vast majority of new car buyers of the same thing. There's no way around it. Toyotas and Kias are not representative of average new cars in America. Teslas are.
- mckn1ght 3y agoApples to apples means comparing based off of the objectively observable traits of the cars in question: seating and storage capacity, etc. The price of the cars is more or less arbitrary. Comparing cars on price alone makes no sense. A porsche 911 is multiple times the cost of a minivan, does that mean its utility is that many times higher than a minivan for a family of 4?
- djao 3y agoThe point remains. If a Tesla is a privileged expensive purchase then so is the average new car. There is no possible way of refuting this statement. It is simply mathematically unavoidably true.
- semiquaver 3y agoThe fallacy you demonstrated is called “begging the question” or “assuming the conclusion”.