>"This flies in the face of survival of the fittest, species fitness, and all sorts of other evolutionary ideas." For the counterexample, see pack animals and t

>"This flies in the face of survival of the fittest, species fitness, and all sorts of other evolutionary ideas." For the counterexample, see pack animals and their dynamics. Re: Genghis, certainly force has a way of making exceptions to generalities, but in the average case the good guy gets the girl, holds down the stable, well-paying job in a socially adjusted manner, and thus the genes get spread. >"It also skirted around the other point that atheists do not live their lives as if they were meaningless, which they purport to believe." My life is meaningful to me and that's all I personally care about, I don't care that you think everyone of a particular lack of belief has to have a particular mental state associated with that arbitrary tag.