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It’s arguably now a fair bit more modern than the US system which hasn’t been meaningfully reformed since the 18th Century. For example the US president is esse

by simonh 3y ago

It’s arguably now a fair bit more modern than the US system which hasn’t been meaningfully reformed since the 18th Century. For example the US president is essentially just an elected George III.

Turing_Machine 3y ago
> It’s arguably now a fair bit more modern than the US system which hasn’t been meaningfully reformed since the 18th Century. I am sorry, that is simply not true. Abolition of slavery? Votes for non-property owners? Votes for minorities? Votes for women? Votes for 18-year-olds? Incorporation of the Bill of Rights to the states? Prohibition (and its repeal)? Switching from (mostly) excise taxes to income taxes to fund the government? Those are just some of the high points. Probably the most significant (yet rarely appreciated) change is that the Vice President is no longer the person who received the second-highest number of electoral votes. It was realized early on what a monumentally bad idea that was. Trump with Hillary Clinton as VP? Biden with Trump as VP? Scary indeed. One can only speculate how many more assassinations and "accidents" there would have been over the years had that not been altered.
- sickofparadox 3y ago
  There are other, less flashy changes that have affected the way the government works too, such as the capping of the apportionment in the House of Representatives (which also changes how presidential elections work). We haven't added any seats to it since 1929!
dontlaugh 3y ago
Not sure why you’d bring up the US, there are plenty of countries with saner systems.
dragonwriter 3y ago
> It’s arguably now a fair bit more modern than the US system No, its not, but the US system is also an arcane disaster, so even if it was that wouldn’t be a counterargument. > which hasn’t been meaningfully reformed since the 18th Century. Yes, it has been meaningfully reformed since the 18th Century. In many small ways in the 19th and 20th centuries, and with a couple whopping big ones, most notably early in the latter half of the 19th C. > For example the US president is essentially just an elected George III. Even if one decides not to quibble about the accuracy of that, the British still have an unelected monarch with vast estates, a real and practical veto over legislation which would effect them, and the ability to negotiate around the exercise of that power in complete unaccountable secrecy to influence legislation beyond that.

by simonh 3y ago

It’s arguably now a fair bit more modern than the US system which hasn’t been meaningfully reformed since the 18th Century. For example the US president is essentially just an elected George III.

Turing_Machine 3y ago

> It’s arguably now a fair bit more modern than the US system which hasn’t been meaningfully reformed since the 18th Century. I am sorry, that is simply not true. Abolition of slavery? Votes for non-property owners? Votes for minorities? Votes for women? Votes for 18-year-olds? Incorporation of the Bill of Rights to the states? Prohibition (and its repeal)? Switching from (mostly) excise taxes to income taxes to fund the government? Those are just some of the high points. Probably the most significant (yet rarely appreciated) change is that the Vice President is no longer the person who received the second-highest number of electoral votes. It was realized early on what a monumentally bad idea that was. Trump with Hillary Clinton as VP? Biden with Trump as VP? Scary indeed. One can only speculate how many more assassinations and "accidents" there would have been over the years had that not been altered.

sickofparadox 3y ago
There are other, less flashy changes that have affected the way the government works too, such as the capping of the apportionment in the House of Representatives (which also changes how presidential elections work). We haven't added any seats to it since 1929!

dontlaugh 3y ago

Not sure why you’d bring up the US, there are plenty of countries with saner systems.

dragonwriter 3y ago

> It’s arguably now a fair bit more modern than the US system No, its not, but the US system is also an arcane disaster, so even if it was that wouldn’t be a counterargument. > which hasn’t been meaningfully reformed since the 18th Century. Yes, it has been meaningfully reformed since the 18th Century. In many small ways in the 19th and 20th centuries, and with a couple whopping big ones, most notably early in the latter half of the 19th C. > For example the US president is essentially just an elected George III. Even if one decides not to quibble about the accuracy of that, the British still have an unelected monarch with vast estates, a real and practical veto over legislation which would effect them, and the ability to negotiate around the exercise of that power in complete unaccountable secrecy to influence legislation beyond that.