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Are you sure that's correct? This seems to indicate that you aren't? https://www.floridahealth.gov/programs-and-services/immunization/children-and-adolescents/

Are you sure that's correct? This seems to indicate that you aren't? https://www.floridahealth.gov/programs-and-services/immunization/children-and-adolescents/school-immunization-requirements/index.html https://www.floridahealth.gov/programs-and-services/immuniza...

ethbr1 3y ago
Are 10%+ religious exemptions normal? I'm not sure what the average rate in other states is. https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/florida-vaccine-exemptions-easy-to-get/67-b7ad24a4-5057-4447-adb1-7fe756a036c4 https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/florida-vaccine-exemptions...
Brybry 3y ago
You can get a religious exemption[1] and Florida was in the news recently about a measles outbreak where their Surgeon General advised parents of unvaccinated kids to make their own choice on sending their kids to school or not. [2] You can also google Florida student MMR vaccination rates and most results are closer to 90% than 100%, so clearly people are taking advantage of exemptions. [1] http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=1003.22&URL=1000-1099/1003/Sections/1003.22.html http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20St... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/d561ec38-808a-471f-bf7a-dbe67a224434.pdf?itid=lk_inline_manual_4 https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/d561ec38-808a-471f-...
- serial_dev 3y ago
  Religious exemption does not seem to be unique to Florida, quite the opposite, basically all states grant them. > There are 45 states and Washington D.C. that grant religious exemptions for people who have religious objections to immunizations. https://www.ncsl.org/health/states-with-religious-and-philosophical-exemptions-from-school-immunization-requirements https://www.ncsl.org/health/states-with-religious-and-philos...
  - zarathustreal 3y ago
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    - Brybry 3y ago
      I don't think traditional American understandings on freedom were for state identity document requirements. That's why we have no federal IDs and social security numbers are abused and why we use driver's licenses for identification cards. When detained, you have a right not to give police papers proving who you are, you just have to tell them your name. [1] So Florida pushing the concept of using state id to verify age to access a website, which is probably what this law requires, is kind of against that tradition. [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiibel_v._Sixth_Judicial_District_Court_of_Nevada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiibel_v._Sixth_Judicial_Distr... [2] https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2024/3/BillText/er/PDF https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2024/3/BillText/er/PDF
      - zarathustreal 3y ago
        To be clear, the point of the article is a change in the age of unrestricted access to certain social media sites. This is a change in the definition of who qualifies for freedom. Which documents are used to establish that identity is tangential, there is no perfect form of identification that is also free of potential for abuse
  - Solvency 3y ago
    Why do you say "all states" when that's not true, and when California is one of the most populated states in the country and has zero exemptions?
    - decremental 3y ago
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ethbr1 3y ago

Are 10%+ religious exemptions normal? I'm not sure what the average rate in other states is. https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/florida-vaccine-exemptions-easy-to-get/67-b7ad24a4-5057-4447-adb1-7fe756a036c4 https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/florida-vaccine-exemptions...

Brybry 3y ago

You can get a religious exemption[1] and Florida was in the news recently about a measles outbreak where their Surgeon General advised parents of unvaccinated kids to make their own choice on sending their kids to school or not. [2] You can also google Florida student MMR vaccination rates and most results are closer to 90% than 100%, so clearly people are taking advantage of exemptions. [1] http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=1003.22&URL=1000-1099/1003/Sections/1003.22.html http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20St... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/d561ec38-808a-471f-bf7a-dbe67a224434.pdf?itid=lk_inline_manual_4 https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/d561ec38-808a-471f-...

serial_dev 3y ago
Religious exemption does not seem to be unique to Florida, quite the opposite, basically all states grant them. > There are 45 states and Washington D.C. that grant religious exemptions for people who have religious objections to immunizations. https://www.ncsl.org/health/states-with-religious-and-philosophical-exemptions-from-school-immunization-requirements https://www.ncsl.org/health/states-with-religious-and-philos...
- zarathustreal 3y ago
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  - Brybry 3y ago
    I don't think traditional American understandings on freedom were for state identity document requirements. That's why we have no federal IDs and social security numbers are abused and why we use driver's licenses for identification cards. When detained, you have a right not to give police papers proving who you are, you just have to tell them your name. [1] So Florida pushing the concept of using state id to verify age to access a website, which is probably what this law requires, is kind of against that tradition. [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiibel_v._Sixth_Judicial_District_Court_of_Nevada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiibel_v._Sixth_Judicial_Distr... [2] https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2024/3/BillText/er/PDF https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2024/3/BillText/er/PDF
    - zarathustreal 3y ago
      To be clear, the point of the article is a change in the age of unrestricted access to certain social media sites. This is a change in the definition of who qualifies for freedom. Which documents are used to establish that identity is tangential, there is no perfect form of identification that is also free of potential for abuse
- Solvency 3y ago
  Why do you say "all states" when that's not true, and when California is one of the most populated states in the country and has zero exemptions?
  - decremental 3y ago
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