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These critics have no understanding of the law. We’ve been making exceptions for children for decades at least, probably since the beginning of the republic

Cheer2171 3y ago
I assure you I have an understanding of the law. This is such a a rude and preposterous assertion in bad faith. This is a law mandating ID verification for all children and adults. If you require controls for everyone below a certain age, you de facto require controls for everyone of every age who does not prove they are over the minimum age. In other words, even if you can legally discriminate against children, my rights to speak anonymously as an adult are being taken away because if I don't show my ID, I will be treated as a child who has fewer rights. We can disagree on the merits, but please don't imply that everyone who disagrees with you is ipso facto an idiot.
- pjc50 3y ago
  Indeed. We've been round this when Facebook etc (most recently Glassdoor) instituted "real name" policies. I'm rather confused about HN's response to this because normally when a media platform voluntarily tries to censor certain kinds of bad behavior there's a massive backlash here, and now there's seemingly overwhelming support for simply removing a whole category of people from being able to speak at all, along with whatever real ID policy gets put in place to make it work.
  - thomastjeffery 3y ago
    It's still early in the day. I expect this thread to get more diverse attention over time.
  - ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
    > a whole category of people from being able to speak at all Hot take but I can go without the opinions of children.
    - wizzwizz4 3y ago
      Well, yeah. I can go without the opinions of any underrepresented group. (A lot of theoretical computer science work in my field was done by pseudonymous children, but it's not like I need that to live.) Doesn't mean they can go without me hearing what they have to say.
      - ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
        What theoretical computer science work is being done by middle schoolers? Are you a Minecraft YouTuber?
        wizzwizz4 3y ago
        I was thinking things like complexity theory. The Minecraft kids are generally more on the applied side of things: software engineering, usability work, that kind of stuff; and afaik they don't really publish in ways that are easy to cite in academia. (I'm only familiar with that sort of thing in passing.)
- fakecontent000 3y ago
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- KaiserPro 3y ago
  But you have that for many things in the states. If you subscribe to cable, you need to prove your financial record, which excludes most people under 18. if you want to buy the special channels, you have to go through an extra set of hoops. Buying actual real media porn in stores or mail order, require(d) some level of age verification. If it went to a minor, massive fine and or a criminal record. You need to prove your age to drink(or buy) alcohol and drive a car, and vote. Minors are treated differently in most common law countries.

Cheer2171 3y ago

I assure you I have an understanding of the law. This is such a a rude and preposterous assertion in bad faith. This is a law mandating ID verification for all children and adults. If you require controls for everyone below a certain age, you de facto require controls for everyone of every age who does not prove they are over the minimum age. In other words, even if you can legally discriminate against children, my rights to speak anonymously as an adult are being taken away because if I don't show my ID, I will be treated as a child who has fewer rights. We can disagree on the merits, but please don't imply that everyone who disagrees with you is ipso facto an idiot.

pjc50 3y ago
Indeed. We've been round this when Facebook etc (most recently Glassdoor) instituted "real name" policies. I'm rather confused about HN's response to this because normally when a media platform voluntarily tries to censor certain kinds of bad behavior there's a massive backlash here, and now there's seemingly overwhelming support for simply removing a whole category of people from being able to speak at all, along with whatever real ID policy gets put in place to make it work.
- thomastjeffery 3y ago
  It's still early in the day. I expect this thread to get more diverse attention over time.
- ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
  > a whole category of people from being able to speak at all Hot take but I can go without the opinions of children.
  - wizzwizz4 3y ago
    Well, yeah. I can go without the opinions of any underrepresented group. (A lot of theoretical computer science work in my field was done by pseudonymous children, but it's not like I need that to live.) Doesn't mean they can go without me hearing what they have to say.
    - ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
      What theoretical computer science work is being done by middle schoolers? Are you a Minecraft YouTuber?
      - wizzwizz4 3y ago
        I was thinking things like complexity theory. The Minecraft kids are generally more on the applied side of things: software engineering, usability work, that kind of stuff; and afaik they don't really publish in ways that are easy to cite in academia. (I'm only familiar with that sort of thing in passing.)
fakecontent000 3y ago
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KaiserPro 3y ago
But you have that for many things in the states. If you subscribe to cable, you need to prove your financial record, which excludes most people under 18. if you want to buy the special channels, you have to go through an extra set of hoops. Buying actual real media porn in stores or mail order, require(d) some level of age verification. If it went to a minor, massive fine and or a criminal record. You need to prove your age to drink(or buy) alcohol and drive a car, and vote. Minors are treated differently in most common law countries.