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Given that the US is not a signatory to several international treaties and regularly employs solitary confinement, which is internationally considered as a form

by hnbad 3y ago

Given that the US is not a signatory to several international treaties and regularly employs solitary confinement, which is internationally considered as a form of torture, there is a humanitarian argument against the extradition. The desire to comply with the extradition request seems to be more about politics (i.e. maintaining good relationships with the US) than the rule of law. The treatment of Manning should be sufficient evidence to deny the claim that Assange would receive a fair trial and treatment as a prisoner that is compatible with human rights (i.e. that excludes torture). But given that the judgement argues that even the plans to assassinate him were justified, I doubt this will be given any consideration.

edgyquant 3y ago
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- Lord-Jobo 3y ago
  As a broad methodology it isn't torture per say, sure. But the implementation in the vast majority of our justice systems 100% no question is aggregious torture. Digestible source: last week tonight: https://youtu.be/_uSZwErdH3I?si=DfHkVDbGegVt06tJ https://youtu.be/_uSZwErdH3I?si=DfHkVDbGegVt06tJ More detailed source: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/03/30/hellhole https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/03/30/hellhole
- Cheer2171 3y ago
  You have no understanding of prisons.
- southernplaces7 3y ago
  It would be interesting to see you or anyone with your opinion about solitary spend even six months in U.S. Federal/state supermax levels of isolation and then emerge to say with a straight face and sound mind that it isn't torture. Humans are innately social animals, and isolating them against their will from virtually all human contact even for fairly short periods of time can be more destructive to their being than physically mutilating them, even if the scars won't be so visible. Whether such a punishment is justified for some types of extreme criminals or not is another argument that we could debate, but let's at least be honest about describing it for the cruelty it is as a method. Total supermax-type solitary is one very major reason why even some of the wold's hardest criminals in other countries fight extradition to the U.S at all costs. Should someone like Assange be placed at the same moral level as a mass murdering Mexican narco boss?
2devnull 3y ago
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by hnbad 3y ago

edgyquant 3y ago

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Lord-Jobo 3y ago
As a broad methodology it isn't torture per say, sure. But the implementation in the vast majority of our justice systems 100% no question is aggregious torture. Digestible source: last week tonight: https://youtu.be/_uSZwErdH3I?si=DfHkVDbGegVt06tJ https://youtu.be/_uSZwErdH3I?si=DfHkVDbGegVt06tJ More detailed source: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/03/30/hellhole https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/03/30/hellhole
Cheer2171 3y ago
You have no understanding of prisons.
southernplaces7 3y ago
It would be interesting to see you or anyone with your opinion about solitary spend even six months in U.S. Federal/state supermax levels of isolation and then emerge to say with a straight face and sound mind that it isn't torture. Humans are innately social animals, and isolating them against their will from virtually all human contact even for fairly short periods of time can be more destructive to their being than physically mutilating them, even if the scars won't be so visible. Whether such a punishment is justified for some types of extreme criminals or not is another argument that we could debate, but let's at least be honest about describing it for the cruelty it is as a method. Total supermax-type solitary is one very major reason why even some of the wold's hardest criminals in other countries fight extradition to the U.S at all costs. Should someone like Assange be placed at the same moral level as a mass murdering Mexican narco boss?

2devnull 3y ago

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