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> I said that I would expect someone working in the sector to believe in the sector. I did not say AT ALL that someone working in the sector is surely wrong. N
by cauch 3y ago
> I said that I would expect someone working in the sector to believe in the sector. I did not say AT ALL that someone working in the sector is surely wrong.
No, you said that you expect someone saying that solar and wind is not that bad to be working IN SOLAR AND WIND and not in nuclear.
You said that my view on solar and wind is biased because I work on solar and wind. I don't, I work on the full energy sector, I don't prefer renewables to nuclear.
> Of course people in renewables tend to say that nuclear doesn't work, and people in nuclear tend to say that renewables don't work. That's how it works. Asking who is saying what and consider they may have a bias seems reasonable to me.
That's exactly my point: you ASSUMED that if I say renewable is good, then I HAVE TO be in renewable.
Being careful is fine, you could have asked precision about my domain. But you did not, it was just obvious in your mind: if I'm saying the renewables are not bad, then there is no way I'm intellectually honest and unbiased.
> I have been following him for years, and that is not AT ALL what I understood.
I have worked on projects where we saw DIRECT AFFIRMATIONS from Jancovici that were, for real, just BS. Not because we were interpreting them badly or something like that, it was very clear cut, such as "we've just done the math for your exact project and we guarantee you you will not get it for less than X euros" and few months later, we got it for 0.001 X euros. You may understand superficially what Jancovici says. But obviously, I've seen, from first hand, the reality, and it will be very difficult for you to convince me that what I've experienced was a dream. Each time he is saying "nuclear is a better fit", you need to be very prudent, he is always comparing the very very worst case scenario for renewables with the unrealistically ideal case for nuclear.
> (because if you have enough nuclear energy, then you don't need renewables, but when you have renewables, you need a solution for the times where they don't produce enough)
That only is stupid. You cannot place "just nuclear", the way they work is just not suited for flexible grid, which is essential if we want to reduce emissions. You can somehow follow the demand, but you will spend order of magnitude more money than if you use renewables for exactly the same result, and you will never reach the needed reduction in time.
You were saying that you reacted to "silver bullet, if you have enough renewables then you don't need nuclear". And there, you are doing exactly the same thing by saying that "if you have enough nuclear, then you don't need renewables". Let be clear: I know you prefer a mixed solution. The problem is that you believe that if you have enough nuclear, then you don't need renewables, which is just not correct.
- palata 3y ago> No, you said that you expect someone saying that solar and wind is not that bad to be working IN SOLAR AND WIND > you ASSUMED that if I say renewable is good, then I HAVE TO be in renewable. Wow. Let me quote what I said: "I would assume that people working in solar and wind believe in it... could it be a bubble?" If you can draw the above conclusions from this sentence, then there is no need to talk further. And I have to assume that you apply the same kind of logic to everything. No wonder you think Jancovici is wrong.
- cauch 3y agoFine, so things are clarified: you were saying it could be a bubble because X, and now I've demonstrated that we are not in the situation X, so it is not a bubble. I still don't understand how you can assume I'm not myself in a bubble, say that I see people considering renewables as a very valid solution, and still this observation is a result of a bubble (a bubble I'm not in, but still I only see things inside of the bubble and not out of it). Can you see my situation? You have to admit that my reaction is just legitimate. > If you can draw the above conclusions from this sentence, then there is no need to talk further. And I have to assume that you apply the same kind of logic to everything. No wonder you think Jancovici is wrong. How convenient. I think Jancovici is wrong about solar (not about everything) because I saw him saying things that are factually wrong, not because he said "bubble", "people" or "it" and that I have misinterpreted that. Firstly, even if I am somehow unable to understand your sentence (which I'm not), I don't need this skill to notice that the numbers we are obtaining are dramatically not the same as the numbers the guy provided. It's like saying "you don't understand Italian language, so I don't believe you when you say that this mathematical development has a sign error in it". Secondly, even if I'm myself an idiot, then you still need to explain why all of my colleagues (including the ones enthusiastic about nuclear development) are also very perplexed regarding Jancovici conclusions on solar. This whole discussion does not help my impression that there is a lot of irrationality and deny. It really feels you are jumping on an excuse to exclude the possibility that Jancovici may not be right. Again, it fits very well with my first interpretation that you jumped to conclusion that I may be myself in a bubble just because I was saying things that you don't want to hear.