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Really lovely idea and brilliant execution. For people who don't get the reference, one of the defining pieces of the Minimalist movement in 20th century music

Really lovely idea and brilliant execution. For people who don't get the reference, one of the defining pieces of the Minimalist movement in 20th century music[1] was "In C" by Terry Riley[2]. Minimalist pieces often (but don't always) include elements of non-determinsm like in this. [1] Minimalism here doesn't mean "not many notes" it means deliberately restricting the range of harmonic and rhythmic materials available to the composer. Steve Reich, Philip Glass, John Adams, and Arvo Part represent well-known composers with very different takes on the style if you want to check out more. [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_C https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_C to read about "In C" or try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbTn79x-mrI&pp=ygUQaW4gYyB0ZXJyeSByaWxleQ%3D%3D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbTn79x-mrI&pp=ygUQaW4gYyB0Z... as an example performance.

croisillon 3y ago
that reminds me Nyman's "In Re Don Giovanni"
jahnu 3y ago
Agreed! Such a lovely simple effective idea. Also reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Po%C3%A8me_symphonique https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Po%C3%A8me_symphonique
gnulinux 3y ago
> Minimalism here doesn't mean "not many notes" it means deliberately restricting the range of harmonic and rhythmic materials available to the composer This is not necessarily what minimalism means. Minimalism is just an abstraction for certain kinds of art, possibly with various incompatible techniques. For some artists (not just musicians, but also painters, poets etc) minimalism means "repetition"-ism i.e. art with excessive amount of repetition to the point that you'd normally expect it to be "boring" but it somehow uses it to its favor with rhythmic, harmonic, or formal techniques. Philip Glass is the pioneer of this idea in music, and I personally consider him one of the most creative and groundbreaking artists ever lived. His music is very tonal, "simple" and repetitive in his oeuvre (i.e. repetition not just in one work, but repetition among his body of works like minimalist painters Mondrian and Rothko) which makes him a very very controversial musician, some critics considering him a charlatan. To me, he's a Schoenbergian figure who is making a bombastic and over-the-top artistic statement by going against the current of his artistic tradition while remaining firmly in it. Similarly, Schoenberg was also considered a charlatan during his life, especially early on. For those interested, I recommend this composition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKJoQ8BfQhw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKJoQ8BfQhw (full on spotify, sorry) Oh also if you ever think "classical music doesn't have a cultural force anymore" please pay attention to contemporary film music that's not neo-romanticist. You'll see that there is tons of minimalist influence from Glass, Reich, Andriessen, Richter etc...
- BeFlatXIII 3y ago
  > Oh also if you ever think "classical music doesn't have a cultural force anymore" please pay attention to contemporary film music that's not neo-romanticist. You'll see that there is tons of minimalist influence from Glass, Reich, Andriessen, Richter etc... And music from horror movies and battle scenes if you want to hear the contemporary influence of serialism and new complexity.
- chasil 3y ago
  How does this relate to Schoenberg? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-tone_technique https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-tone_technique Or to the whole of impressionism in music? "In 1912, the French composer Ernest Fanelli (1860–1917) received significant attention and coverage in the Parisian press following a performance of a symphonic poem he wrote in 1886, titled Thèbes, incorporating elements associated with Impressionism, such as extended chords and whole-tone scales. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressionism_in_music https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressionism_in_music Writing in 1958, the critic Rudolph Reti summarised six features of Debussy's music, which he asserted "established a new concept of tonality in European music": the frequent use of lengthy pedal points – "not merely bass pedals in the actual sense of the term, but sustained 'pedals' in any voice"; glittering passages and webs of figurations which distract from occasional absence of tonality; frequent use of parallel chords which are "in essence not harmonies at all, but rather 'chordal melodies', enriched unisons", described by some writers as non-functional harmonies; bitonality, or at least bitonal chords; use of the whole-tone and pentatonic scales; and unprepared modulations, "without any harmonic bridge". Reti concludes that Debussy's achievement was the synthesis of monophonic based "melodic tonality" with harmonies, albeit different from those of "harmonic tonality". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Debussy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Debussy
coldtea 3y ago
>For people who don't get the reference, one of the defining pieces of the Minimalist movement in 20th century music[1] was "In C" by Terry Riley So they missed the opportunity to call this "In B#".
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- W0lf 3y ago
  "In Bb" that is?
  - foolswisdom 3y ago
    B# == C. I assume B# was intentional in that comment.
chasil 3y ago
This reminds me of "Quiet City" by Aaron Copeland. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FBAB8jHAhdw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FBAB8jHAhdw
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croisillon 3y ago

that reminds me Nyman's "In Re Don Giovanni"

jahnu 3y ago

Agreed! Such a lovely simple effective idea. Also reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Po%C3%A8me_symphonique https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Po%C3%A8me_symphonique

gnulinux 3y ago

> Minimalism here doesn't mean "not many notes" it means deliberately restricting the range of harmonic and rhythmic materials available to the composer This is not necessarily what minimalism means. Minimalism is just an abstraction for certain kinds of art, possibly with various incompatible techniques. For some artists (not just musicians, but also painters, poets etc) minimalism means "repetition"-ism i.e. art with excessive amount of repetition to the point that you'd normally expect it to be "boring" but it somehow uses it to its favor with rhythmic, harmonic, or formal techniques. Philip Glass is the pioneer of this idea in music, and I personally consider him one of the most creative and groundbreaking artists ever lived. His music is very tonal, "simple" and repetitive in his oeuvre (i.e. repetition not just in one work, but repetition among his body of works like minimalist painters Mondrian and Rothko) which makes him a very very controversial musician, some critics considering him a charlatan. To me, he's a Schoenbergian figure who is making a bombastic and over-the-top artistic statement by going against the current of his artistic tradition while remaining firmly in it. Similarly, Schoenberg was also considered a charlatan during his life, especially early on. For those interested, I recommend this composition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKJoQ8BfQhw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKJoQ8BfQhw (full on spotify, sorry) Oh also if you ever think "classical music doesn't have a cultural force anymore" please pay attention to contemporary film music that's not neo-romanticist. You'll see that there is tons of minimalist influence from Glass, Reich, Andriessen, Richter etc...

BeFlatXIII 3y ago
> Oh also if you ever think "classical music doesn't have a cultural force anymore" please pay attention to contemporary film music that's not neo-romanticist. You'll see that there is tons of minimalist influence from Glass, Reich, Andriessen, Richter etc... And music from horror movies and battle scenes if you want to hear the contemporary influence of serialism and new complexity.
chasil 3y ago
How does this relate to Schoenberg? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-tone_technique https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve-tone_technique Or to the whole of impressionism in music? "In 1912, the French composer Ernest Fanelli (1860–1917) received significant attention and coverage in the Parisian press following a performance of a symphonic poem he wrote in 1886, titled Thèbes, incorporating elements associated with Impressionism, such as extended chords and whole-tone scales. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressionism_in_music https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressionism_in_music Writing in 1958, the critic Rudolph Reti summarised six features of Debussy's music, which he asserted "established a new concept of tonality in European music": the frequent use of lengthy pedal points – "not merely bass pedals in the actual sense of the term, but sustained 'pedals' in any voice"; glittering passages and webs of figurations which distract from occasional absence of tonality; frequent use of parallel chords which are "in essence not harmonies at all, but rather 'chordal melodies', enriched unisons", described by some writers as non-functional harmonies; bitonality, or at least bitonal chords; use of the whole-tone and pentatonic scales; and unprepared modulations, "without any harmonic bridge". Reti concludes that Debussy's achievement was the synthesis of monophonic based "melodic tonality" with harmonies, albeit different from those of "harmonic tonality". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Debussy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Debussy

coldtea 3y ago

>For people who don't get the reference, one of the defining pieces of the Minimalist movement in 20th century music[1] was "In C" by Terry Riley So they missed the opportunity to call this "In B#".

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W0lf 3y ago
"In Bb" that is?
- foolswisdom 3y ago
  B# == C. I assume B# was intentional in that comment.

chasil 3y ago

This reminds me of "Quiet City" by Aaron Copeland. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FBAB8jHAhdw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FBAB8jHAhdw

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