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I hope you are not on a jury trying a child rapist and blaming the parents as 100% at fault. Liability is obviously not always 100% on the parents. Sometimes y

I hope you are not on a jury trying a child rapist and blaming the parents as 100% at fault. Liability is obviously not always 100% on the parents. Sometimes you have to send your kid to school. If they are beaten bloody every day that's not necessarily 100% the parents fault - others can exercise some responsibility with respect to kids in our society. The takes here on HN are frankly scary as a parent.

tenebrisalietum 3y ago
> I hope you are not on a jury trying a child rapist and blaming the parents as 100% at fault. A result X may happen because of more than one entity A, B, etc. In this case: the rapist is obviously at fault. If the rape happens because the child was neglected/unsupervised, then the parents may be 100% at fault as well. Similarly parents who give their children phones and are neglectful via not supervising them should be 100% liable for harm that is caused as well as the harm-causing entity. If they cannot supervise them they should not give them the phone. You wouldn't give an 8 year old a weapon and then divert blame from yourself if the child killed someone, so why is it really any different because it's a phone? If your 10 year old makes a Facebook account, and Facebook doesn't delete it when knowledge of the user's age is known, Facebook is in the wrong, and the parent that didn't bother checking what their child is doing is also equally as wrong, and both should be fined equally.
- pyuser583 3y ago
  And when public schools create an account on Google for a child? And require active use of the account as a condition for receiving an education? Is the school responsible for that? The state I’m in guarantees the right to a free state education. If that right is predicated on my child having a Google account, is that my fault as a parent?
  - whatshisface 3y ago
    It's a massive infringement of your natural rights to be forced to create a Google account for your child. That said, I don't see why that's a reason to keep someone else's 13 year old off Twitter.
    - pyuser583 3y ago
      Agreed.
hungariantoast 3y ago
> I hope you are not on a jury trying a child rapist and blaming the parents as 100% at fault. I just want to remind everyone else that saying something like this to another human being is an incredibly ugly thing to do, and it is only because the bar for "acceptable discussions" online is so low (that it's underground) that people feel comfortable saying crazy things like this to each other. Like, I'll be honest, if someone came at me with this "child rapist" line after I said "Liability should be 100% on the parents", that would be my cue to immediately stop interacting with that person. Less reasonable people would throw their drink in your face for saying something like this, some people would even punch you. Talking to other people like this is not okay, there are better ways to make your point. (And no, I do not believe "Liability should be 100% on the parents", but I would never accuse someone of letting a predator off the hook just because they have that opinion.)
- tempnow987 2y ago
  The idea that liability should be 100% on the parents is an absolute horrific ugly hacker news only type take. Hackers love to argue these sort of points into the ground. I'm sick of it. They take these points to absurd lengths. And yes, these arguments overlap with child protection issues. I'm not a "protect the children" political type, but these types of arguments and derivates show up in a fair bit of ugly stuff. And no - someone like this who does not believe in third party liability with respect to children should not be on a jury.

tenebrisalietum 3y ago

> I hope you are not on a jury trying a child rapist and blaming the parents as 100% at fault. A result X may happen because of more than one entity A, B, etc. In this case: the rapist is obviously at fault. If the rape happens because the child was neglected/unsupervised, then the parents may be 100% at fault as well. Similarly parents who give their children phones and are neglectful via not supervising them should be 100% liable for harm that is caused as well as the harm-causing entity. If they cannot supervise them they should not give them the phone. You wouldn't give an 8 year old a weapon and then divert blame from yourself if the child killed someone, so why is it really any different because it's a phone? If your 10 year old makes a Facebook account, and Facebook doesn't delete it when knowledge of the user's age is known, Facebook is in the wrong, and the parent that didn't bother checking what their child is doing is also equally as wrong, and both should be fined equally.

pyuser583 3y ago
And when public schools create an account on Google for a child? And require active use of the account as a condition for receiving an education? Is the school responsible for that? The state I’m in guarantees the right to a free state education. If that right is predicated on my child having a Google account, is that my fault as a parent?
- whatshisface 3y ago
  It's a massive infringement of your natural rights to be forced to create a Google account for your child. That said, I don't see why that's a reason to keep someone else's 13 year old off Twitter.
  - pyuser583 3y ago
    Agreed.

hungariantoast 3y ago

> I hope you are not on a jury trying a child rapist and blaming the parents as 100% at fault. I just want to remind everyone else that saying something like this to another human being is an incredibly ugly thing to do, and it is only because the bar for "acceptable discussions" online is so low (that it's underground) that people feel comfortable saying crazy things like this to each other. Like, I'll be honest, if someone came at me with this "child rapist" line after I said "Liability should be 100% on the parents", that would be my cue to immediately stop interacting with that person. Less reasonable people would throw their drink in your face for saying something like this, some people would even punch you. Talking to other people like this is not okay, there are better ways to make your point. (And no, I do not believe "Liability should be 100% on the parents", but I would never accuse someone of letting a predator off the hook just because they have that opinion.)

tempnow987 2y ago
The idea that liability should be 100% on the parents is an absolute horrific ugly hacker news only type take. Hackers love to argue these sort of points into the ground. I'm sick of it. They take these points to absurd lengths. And yes, these arguments overlap with child protection issues. I'm not a "protect the children" political type, but these types of arguments and derivates show up in a fair bit of ugly stuff. And no - someone like this who does not believe in third party liability with respect to children should not be on a jury.