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>My impression is that paying child support is a judicial obligation If you don't want to carry the responsibilities of making a child, then don't screw with s

>My impression is that paying child support is a judicial obligation If you don't want to carry the responsibilities of making a child, then don't screw with someone. Simple. Those who screw and then refuse to answer to their deeds are by far the most worthless people on the planet. Children born to such parents deserve better, and the courts are just making certain-as-they-can of that. Also, note that this is very different from someone who can't carry the responsibilities, that's another and far more complicated story.

shiroiushi 3y ago
What if you get raped? What if you're a child? There's at least one case of an underage boy having sex with an adult woman who seduced him, got pregnant with his child, and then forced him to pay child support, even though the court ruled that he was a victim of statutory rape.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  That's what I mean by those who can't carry the responsibility, cases like yours are a different matter. What I speak of are two consenting adults having sex and making a child intentionally or otherwise. If those parents subsequently don't want to pay child support or otherwise don't want to own up to their acts, they are worthless people and the child deserves better.
  - shiroiushi 3y ago
    That sounds great, but we've seen the legal system doesn't think the same way, and will happily condemn a rape victim to decades of paying child support.
brailsafe 3y ago
Well, in a case where the intention at the outset is to have sex for pleasure only and explicitly try and prevent it from happening, is it more immoral to take it to completion against the others intention to participate, or more immoral to excuse yourself from raising it on the basis you don't think you and the other parent will be able to raise the kid without too much conflict? Seems nuanced to me. If you go at it alone despite obviously bad circumstances, and you end up not winning that roll of the dice on your ability to do it alone long term, did you fuck up or did they?
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  There is always a non-zero chance for conception if you engage in sex. That means you (and the other party) have a responsibility to care for the child if you hit that non-zero chance. If you don't want to (or know you can't) be responsible for such consequences, the responsible way forward is don't have sex. It's really that simple. I reiterate: Those who consensually have sex and then refuse to own up for their behaviour are worthless people.
  - brailsafe 3y ago
    > If you don't want to (or know you can't) be responsible for such consequences, the responsible way forward is don't have sex. It's really that simple. > I reiterate: Those who consensually have sex and then refuse to own up for their behaviour are worthless people. Nah, sex is great, mistakes happen, get off your high horse and stop casting judgement.

shiroiushi 3y ago

What if you get raped? What if you're a child? There's at least one case of an underage boy having sex with an adult woman who seduced him, got pregnant with his child, and then forced him to pay child support, even though the court ruled that he was a victim of statutory rape.

Dalewyn 3y ago
That's what I mean by those who can't carry the responsibility, cases like yours are a different matter. What I speak of are two consenting adults having sex and making a child intentionally or otherwise. If those parents subsequently don't want to pay child support or otherwise don't want to own up to their acts, they are worthless people and the child deserves better.
- shiroiushi 3y ago
  That sounds great, but we've seen the legal system doesn't think the same way, and will happily condemn a rape victim to decades of paying child support.

brailsafe 3y ago

Well, in a case where the intention at the outset is to have sex for pleasure only and explicitly try and prevent it from happening, is it more immoral to take it to completion against the others intention to participate, or more immoral to excuse yourself from raising it on the basis you don't think you and the other parent will be able to raise the kid without too much conflict? Seems nuanced to me. If you go at it alone despite obviously bad circumstances, and you end up not winning that roll of the dice on your ability to do it alone long term, did you fuck up or did they?

Dalewyn 3y ago
There is always a non-zero chance for conception if you engage in sex. That means you (and the other party) have a responsibility to care for the child if you hit that non-zero chance. If you don't want to (or know you can't) be responsible for such consequences, the responsible way forward is don't have sex. It's really that simple. I reiterate: Those who consensually have sex and then refuse to own up for their behaviour are worthless people.
- brailsafe 3y ago
  > If you don't want to (or know you can't) be responsible for such consequences, the responsible way forward is don't have sex. It's really that simple. > I reiterate: Those who consensually have sex and then refuse to own up for their behaviour are worthless people. Nah, sex is great, mistakes happen, get off your high horse and stop casting judgement.