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No Data Correlates School Success to Life Success. Literally. None

3 points by nsoonhui 3y ago

xenospn 3y ago
Anecdotally - I only have ten years of “formal” schooling (dropped out after 10th grade) and I’m doing quite well.
- quantified 3y ago
  Zip codes and expectations count for a lot. Take-home pay is one thing, expenses are another, satisfaction with life and health are yet other things. We don't measure gross national happiness like Bhutan.
CraigRo 3y ago
Avg Harvard grad salary at 30 vs HS dropout salary at 30? Feels like her data sources are biased or omitting things
- hilux 3y ago
  I'm not vouching for the data, but here is an explanation for why Ivy League grads may be low earners *at age 30*. Ivy League grads (I know "lots") are very often from well off families, and are overwhelmingly more likely to go to grad school or into low-paid and public-service careers (like teacher, DA, journalist, writer) because they can afford to. So at age 30, they haven't yet got that MD or PhD or published their big novel or married that investment banker or leveraged those political connections (from being DA) into big bucks. But they will. Or maybe the trust fund will tide them all the way through.
- quantified 3y ago
  > We need to remind ourselves over and over again, collectively, that we never had evidence that school accomplished anything beyond keeping kids safe while their parents were at work. Yeah right.
ahazred8ta 3y ago
She's very well rounded, has homeschooled her kids, has founded companies, has run math-ed teacher resource company math.com, but I don't see where she's getting this from. https://blog.penelopetrunk.com/about-penelope-trunk/ https://blog.penelopetrunk.com/about-penelope-trunk/ She writes about individualized curricula, and identifies as Aspie https://education.penelopetrunk.com/2016/04/14/having-a-set-curriculum-is-so-last-century/ https://education.penelopetrunk.com/2016/04/14/having-a-set-...
- hilux 3y ago
  That second link is interesting. Her argument about being "well-rounded" reminds me of many math and tech people I know (no idea whether formally diagnosed with autism) who want to solve all of life through incessant logical argumentation. The problem is, (human) life's not like that.

3 points by nsoonhui 3y ago

xenospn 3y ago

Anecdotally - I only have ten years of “formal” schooling (dropped out after 10th grade) and I’m doing quite well.

quantified 3y ago
Zip codes and expectations count for a lot. Take-home pay is one thing, expenses are another, satisfaction with life and health are yet other things. We don't measure gross national happiness like Bhutan.

CraigRo 3y ago

Avg Harvard grad salary at 30 vs HS dropout salary at 30? Feels like her data sources are biased or omitting things

hilux 3y ago
I'm not vouching for the data, but here is an explanation for why Ivy League grads may be low earners *at age 30*. Ivy League grads (I know "lots") are very often from well off families, and are overwhelmingly more likely to go to grad school or into low-paid and public-service careers (like teacher, DA, journalist, writer) because they can afford to. So at age 30, they haven't yet got that MD or PhD or published their big novel or married that investment banker or leveraged those political connections (from being DA) into big bucks. But they will. Or maybe the trust fund will tide them all the way through.
quantified 3y ago
> We need to remind ourselves over and over again, collectively, that we never had evidence that school accomplished anything beyond keeping kids safe while their parents were at work. Yeah right.

ahazred8ta 3y ago

She's very well rounded, has homeschooled her kids, has founded companies, has run math-ed teacher resource company math.com, but I don't see where she's getting this from. https://blog.penelopetrunk.com/about-penelope-trunk/ https://blog.penelopetrunk.com/about-penelope-trunk/ She writes about individualized curricula, and identifies as Aspie https://education.penelopetrunk.com/2016/04/14/having-a-set-curriculum-is-so-last-century/ https://education.penelopetrunk.com/2016/04/14/having-a-set-...

hilux 3y ago
That second link is interesting. Her argument about being "well-rounded" reminds me of many math and tech people I know (no idea whether formally diagnosed with autism) who want to solve all of life through incessant logical argumentation. The problem is, (human) life's not like that.