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You're continuing to miss the point. The license is an irrelevancy. If you can have your license suspended for <stupid reason> you can also be banned from publi

You're continuing to miss the point. The license is an irrelevancy. If you can have your license suspended for <stupid reason> you can also be banned from public transport for <the same stupid reason>. Banning people from using transportation that they probably need for work is dumb, bad policy, and bad economics. It tells you nothing about the merits of the kind of transport from which they're being banned.

foxyv 3y ago
Can you ban someone from walking to the store if it is less than a mile away? Or riding their bicycle to work if it is less than 4 miles away? If your government can do that, cars are not going to save you from the totalitarian dictatorship you are living under.
sokoloff 3y ago
Be sure to let us know when people are barred from using public transportation because of unpaid child support.
- vuln 3y ago
  It’s probably already happening in China with the Social Credit Score.
shiroiushi 3y ago
>If you can have your license suspended for <stupid reason> you can also be banned from public transport for <the same stupid reason>. No, you can't. Please point to any places that actually have the technical means of enforcing such a ban.
- nobody9999 3y ago
  >o, you can't. Please point to any places that actually have the technical means of enforcing such a ban. I'm not sure how such a ban might be implemented,as stupid as such a ban might be, but that doesn't stop folks from trying[0]. N.B.: The link below relates to banning folks who assault other folks on public transit and has nothing to do with fines/judgements. https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2024/03/08/concerns-rise-over-proposal-to-expand-ban-on-transit-use https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2024/03/08/concerns-ri...
  - shiroiushi 3y ago
    This argument makes about as much sense as claiming "they" might ban someone from eating spaghetti, and when challenged, responding "I'm not sure how such a ban might be implemented,as stupid as such a ban might be, but that doesn't stop folks from trying." Such a ban can't be practically enforced, and there's no indication anywhere of anyone even trying such a thing just to be mean to people. Your link is about someone who actually abused the public transit system (i.e. assaulting someone while riding), so of course being banned from the system is a normal response. Presumably, in such a case, the transit police might be watching for that person . It's much like bans on using computers for people convicted of certain computer-related crimes: it's a little hard to enforce, but these cases are unusual and they can check up on you and look for evidence you ignored the Court's punishment.
    - nobody9999 3y ago
      >Presumably, in such a case, the transit police might be watching for that person And how might these hypothetical "transit police" do so, at least in New York City? There are 472 active subway stations spread across 36 subway lines and the trains run 24/7[0], carrying ~5,000,000 passengers per average weekday[1]. And since you can buy access tickets with cash or just evade the fare[2]. So, no. such a ban can't practically be enforced, but as I mentioned, it hasn't stopped some folks from trying...and failing. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Subway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Subway [1] https://new.mta.info/agency/new-york-city-transit/subway-bus-ridership-2022 https://new.mta.info/agency/new-york-city-transit/subway-bus... [2] https://archive.is/NDSbJ https://archive.is/NDSbJ
      - shiroiushi 3y ago
        Again, I still don't understand why you think anyone would try this. Why would they try this instead of a ban on eating spaghetti, for instance? The entire line of reasoning is absurd. Where has anyone ever tried to do such a thing? Never. So why do you think this is actually a danger?
- NovemberWhiskey 3y ago
  Please point to any places that have the technical means to enforce a driving license suspension.
  - foxyv 3y ago
    I don't think I have enough fingers. I think my first finger would start with Pinal County Arizona. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAeGupTUuIw&t=321s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAeGupTUuIw&t=321s

foxyv 3y ago

Can you ban someone from walking to the store if it is less than a mile away? Or riding their bicycle to work if it is less than 4 miles away? If your government can do that, cars are not going to save you from the totalitarian dictatorship you are living under.

sokoloff 3y ago

Be sure to let us know when people are barred from using public transportation because of unpaid child support.

vuln 3y ago
It’s probably already happening in China with the Social Credit Score.

shiroiushi 3y ago

>If you can have your license suspended for <stupid reason> you can also be banned from public transport for <the same stupid reason>. No, you can't. Please point to any places that actually have the technical means of enforcing such a ban.

nobody9999 3y ago
>o, you can't. Please point to any places that actually have the technical means of enforcing such a ban. I'm not sure how such a ban might be implemented,as stupid as such a ban might be, but that doesn't stop folks from trying[0]. N.B.: The link below relates to banning folks who assault other folks on public transit and has nothing to do with fines/judgements. https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2024/03/08/concerns-rise-over-proposal-to-expand-ban-on-transit-use https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2024/03/08/concerns-ri...
- shiroiushi 3y ago
  This argument makes about as much sense as claiming "they" might ban someone from eating spaghetti, and when challenged, responding "I'm not sure how such a ban might be implemented,as stupid as such a ban might be, but that doesn't stop folks from trying." Such a ban can't be practically enforced, and there's no indication anywhere of anyone even trying such a thing just to be mean to people. Your link is about someone who actually abused the public transit system (i.e. assaulting someone while riding), so of course being banned from the system is a normal response. Presumably, in such a case, the transit police might be watching for that person . It's much like bans on using computers for people convicted of certain computer-related crimes: it's a little hard to enforce, but these cases are unusual and they can check up on you and look for evidence you ignored the Court's punishment.
  - nobody9999 3y ago
    >Presumably, in such a case, the transit police might be watching for that person And how might these hypothetical "transit police" do so, at least in New York City? There are 472 active subway stations spread across 36 subway lines and the trains run 24/7[0], carrying ~5,000,000 passengers per average weekday[1]. And since you can buy access tickets with cash or just evade the fare[2]. So, no. such a ban can't practically be enforced, but as I mentioned, it hasn't stopped some folks from trying...and failing. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Subway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Subway [1] https://new.mta.info/agency/new-york-city-transit/subway-bus-ridership-2022 https://new.mta.info/agency/new-york-city-transit/subway-bus... [2] https://archive.is/NDSbJ https://archive.is/NDSbJ
    - shiroiushi 3y ago
      Again, I still don't understand why you think anyone would try this. Why would they try this instead of a ban on eating spaghetti, for instance? The entire line of reasoning is absurd. Where has anyone ever tried to do such a thing? Never. So why do you think this is actually a danger?
NovemberWhiskey 3y ago
Please point to any places that have the technical means to enforce a driving license suspension.
- foxyv 3y ago
  I don't think I have enough fingers. I think my first finger would start with Pinal County Arizona. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAeGupTUuIw&t=321s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAeGupTUuIw&t=321s