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Possibly, or it could also be from all of the high-publicized deaths from (mis)use of the feature

by jasongill 3y ago

misiti3780 3y ago
did i miss something - which deaths are you referring to?
- jamesy0ung 3y ago
  Hans von Ohain, a former Tesla employee, was killed after his Tesla Model 3 veered off a Colorado road and into a tree, where the vehicle caught fire. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2024/tesla-full-self-driving-fatal-crash/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2024/t...
  - bryanlarsen 3y ago
    So there has been a grand total of 1? jasongill's original comment implied that there were a lot of them.
    - pushcx 3y ago
      Wikipedia documents some: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot#Fatal_crashes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot#Fatal_crashes This site claims 42: https://www.tesladeaths.com/ https://www.tesladeaths.com/ They can be difficult to classify. I don't have a link handy, but I've seen reports that FSD/Autopilot disengages moments before an inevitable accident, allowing Tesla to claim that the systems were not engaged and imply they were not at fault. I haven't seen an investigation into whether this is true and, if so, whether the system was designed for the purpose of misleading claims.
      - bryanlarsen 3y ago
        That's Autopilot, aka cruise control, not Full Self Driving.
  - gergi137 3y ago
    Elon Musk said he couldn't have been on FSD as the software had never been downloaded to his car: https://www.drive.com.au/news/elon-musk-denies-fsd-caused-fatal-crash/ https://www.drive.com.au/news/elon-musk-denies-fsd-caused-fa...
- sonicanatidae 3y ago
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- not-my-account 3y ago
  Easy to google "tesla self-driving car death" - but I think the OP was referring to the over-publicized deaths by media searching for clicks. In reality, self-driving cars are already much saver than your average driver. There'll be many people posting anecdotes of Tesla crashes, and in each case, maybe autopilot was a factor, maybe not. But, in reality, autopilot is just safer than average drivers. Anecdotes of autopilot failures create an emotional response, but nobody talks about anecdotes of deaths due to people driving poorly since it's such a common occurrence. So you also have an asymmetry there. I'd love to hear a stronger anti-self-driving argument. The mainstream anti-self-driving arguments, I find, are weak. Bring it on HN!
  - bryanlarsen 3y ago
    Autopilot is just fancy cruise control. There have been lots of deaths on normal and fancy cruise control for all car brands. AFAICT there has only been one Full Self Driving death.

Possibly, or it could also be from all of the high-publicized deaths from (mis)use of the feature

misiti3780 3y ago

did i miss something - which deaths are you referring to?

jamesy0ung 3y ago
Hans von Ohain, a former Tesla employee, was killed after his Tesla Model 3 veered off a Colorado road and into a tree, where the vehicle caught fire. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2024/tesla-full-self-driving-fatal-crash/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2024/t...
- bryanlarsen 3y ago
  So there has been a grand total of 1? jasongill's original comment implied that there were a lot of them.
  - pushcx 3y ago
    Wikipedia documents some: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot#Fatal_crashes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot#Fatal_crashes This site claims 42: https://www.tesladeaths.com/ https://www.tesladeaths.com/ They can be difficult to classify. I don't have a link handy, but I've seen reports that FSD/Autopilot disengages moments before an inevitable accident, allowing Tesla to claim that the systems were not engaged and imply they were not at fault. I haven't seen an investigation into whether this is true and, if so, whether the system was designed for the purpose of misleading claims.
    - bryanlarsen 3y ago
      That's Autopilot, aka cruise control, not Full Self Driving.
- gergi137 3y ago
  Elon Musk said he couldn't have been on FSD as the software had never been downloaded to his car: https://www.drive.com.au/news/elon-musk-denies-fsd-caused-fatal-crash/ https://www.drive.com.au/news/elon-musk-denies-fsd-caused-fa...
sonicanatidae 3y ago
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not-my-account 3y ago
Easy to google "tesla self-driving car death" - but I think the OP was referring to the over-publicized deaths by media searching for clicks. In reality, self-driving cars are already much saver than your average driver. There'll be many people posting anecdotes of Tesla crashes, and in each case, maybe autopilot was a factor, maybe not. But, in reality, autopilot is just safer than average drivers. Anecdotes of autopilot failures create an emotional response, but nobody talks about anecdotes of deaths due to people driving poorly since it's such a common occurrence. So you also have an asymmetry there. I'd love to hear a stronger anti-self-driving argument. The mainstream anti-self-driving arguments, I find, are weak. Bring it on HN!
- bryanlarsen 3y ago
  Autopilot is just fancy cruise control. There have been lots of deaths on normal and fancy cruise control for all car brands. AFAICT there has only been one Full Self Driving death.