4 ms·

The new version of FSD 12.3 is pretty damn impressive. I suspect this is because they think they will convert more people to buying the software via subscriptio

The new version of FSD 12.3 is pretty damn impressive. I suspect this is because they think they will convert more people to buying the software via subscription.

jasongill 3y ago
Possibly, or it could also be from all of the high-publicized deaths from (mis)use of the feature
- misiti3780 3y ago
  did i miss something - which deaths are you referring to?
  - jamesy0ung 3y ago
    Hans von Ohain, a former Tesla employee, was killed after his Tesla Model 3 veered off a Colorado road and into a tree, where the vehicle caught fire. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2024/tesla-full-self-driving-fatal-crash/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2024/t...
    - bryanlarsen 3y ago
      So there has been a grand total of 1? jasongill's original comment implied that there were a lot of them.
      - pushcx 3y ago
        Wikipedia documents some: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot#Fatal_crashes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot#Fatal_crashes This site claims 42: https://www.tesladeaths.com/ https://www.tesladeaths.com/ They can be difficult to classify. I don't have a link handy, but I've seen reports that FSD/Autopilot disengages moments before an inevitable accident, allowing Tesla to claim that the systems were not engaged and imply they were not at fault. I haven't seen an investigation into whether this is true and, if so, whether the system was designed for the purpose of misleading claims.
        bryanlarsen 3y ago
        That's Autopilot, aka cruise control, not Full Self Driving.
    - gergi137 3y ago
      Elon Musk said he couldn't have been on FSD as the software had never been downloaded to his car: https://www.drive.com.au/news/elon-musk-denies-fsd-caused-fatal-crash/ https://www.drive.com.au/news/elon-musk-denies-fsd-caused-fa...
  - sonicanatidae 3y ago
    [dead]
  - not-my-account 3y ago
    Easy to google "tesla self-driving car death" - but I think the OP was referring to the over-publicized deaths by media searching for clicks. In reality, self-driving cars are already much saver than your average driver. There'll be many people posting anecdotes of Tesla crashes, and in each case, maybe autopilot was a factor, maybe not. But, in reality, autopilot is just safer than average drivers. Anecdotes of autopilot failures create an emotional response, but nobody talks about anecdotes of deaths due to people driving poorly since it's such a common occurrence. So you also have an asymmetry there. I'd love to hear a stronger anti-self-driving argument. The mainstream anti-self-driving arguments, I find, are weak. Bring it on HN!
    - bryanlarsen 3y ago
      Autopilot is just fancy cruise control. There have been lots of deaths on normal and fancy cruise control for all car brands. AFAICT there has only been one Full Self Driving death.
sonicanatidae 3y ago
>The new version of FSD 12.3 is pretty damn impressive. Ahh, so reality is nearing the marketing lies from a decade ago, finally. Neat!
- stcredzero 3y ago
  One man's techno optimism is another man's lies.
  - sonicanatidae 3y ago
    And the only time that matters is when one of them is spending money.
    - stcredzero 3y ago
      It's always been a foolish position, to consider that one a short term bet.
- wilg 3y ago
  Weird way to say they released a tech demo a while back of what they would eventually ship and now they have shipped it.
  - sonicanatidae 3y ago
    Weird way to defend a company that did exactly that. October 2014 Tesla starts equipping Model S sedans with hardware that can automate some steering, braking, and acceleration functions. Although the software is not yet active, it calls the feature Autopilot. -Consumer Reports Autopilot, how it's sold, does not equate to "tech demo" in any circumstance, context or scenario. It's marketing garbage to sell more cars by mislabeling a feature that may exist a decade later. Now that we're a decade later, it's still not what it was promised, but ok!
    - wilg 3y ago
      I don't know what you're talking about. Autopilot did "automate some steering, braking, and acceleration functions" and was released in 2015. This conversation is about a different feature called FSD, of which a tech demo video was shown in 2016. My car can currently do everything that was shown in that tech demo.

The new version of FSD 12.3 is pretty damn impressive. I suspect this is because they think they will convert more people to buying the software via subscription.

jasongill 3y ago

Possibly, or it could also be from all of the high-publicized deaths from (mis)use of the feature

misiti3780 3y ago
did i miss something - which deaths are you referring to?
- jamesy0ung 3y ago
  Hans von Ohain, a former Tesla employee, was killed after his Tesla Model 3 veered off a Colorado road and into a tree, where the vehicle caught fire. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2024/tesla-full-self-driving-fatal-crash/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2024/t...
  - bryanlarsen 3y ago
    So there has been a grand total of 1? jasongill's original comment implied that there were a lot of them.
    - pushcx 3y ago
      Wikipedia documents some: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot#Fatal_crashes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot#Fatal_crashes This site claims 42: https://www.tesladeaths.com/ https://www.tesladeaths.com/ They can be difficult to classify. I don't have a link handy, but I've seen reports that FSD/Autopilot disengages moments before an inevitable accident, allowing Tesla to claim that the systems were not engaged and imply they were not at fault. I haven't seen an investigation into whether this is true and, if so, whether the system was designed for the purpose of misleading claims.
      - bryanlarsen 3y ago
        That's Autopilot, aka cruise control, not Full Self Driving.
  - gergi137 3y ago
    Elon Musk said he couldn't have been on FSD as the software had never been downloaded to his car: https://www.drive.com.au/news/elon-musk-denies-fsd-caused-fatal-crash/ https://www.drive.com.au/news/elon-musk-denies-fsd-caused-fa...
- sonicanatidae 3y ago
  [dead]
- not-my-account 3y ago
  Easy to google "tesla self-driving car death" - but I think the OP was referring to the over-publicized deaths by media searching for clicks. In reality, self-driving cars are already much saver than your average driver. There'll be many people posting anecdotes of Tesla crashes, and in each case, maybe autopilot was a factor, maybe not. But, in reality, autopilot is just safer than average drivers. Anecdotes of autopilot failures create an emotional response, but nobody talks about anecdotes of deaths due to people driving poorly since it's such a common occurrence. So you also have an asymmetry there. I'd love to hear a stronger anti-self-driving argument. The mainstream anti-self-driving arguments, I find, are weak. Bring it on HN!
  - bryanlarsen 3y ago
    Autopilot is just fancy cruise control. There have been lots of deaths on normal and fancy cruise control for all car brands. AFAICT there has only been one Full Self Driving death.

sonicanatidae 3y ago

>The new version of FSD 12.3 is pretty damn impressive. Ahh, so reality is nearing the marketing lies from a decade ago, finally. Neat!

stcredzero 3y ago
One man's techno optimism is another man's lies.
- sonicanatidae 3y ago
  And the only time that matters is when one of them is spending money.
  - stcredzero 3y ago
    It's always been a foolish position, to consider that one a short term bet.
wilg 3y ago
Weird way to say they released a tech demo a while back of what they would eventually ship and now they have shipped it.
- sonicanatidae 3y ago
  Weird way to defend a company that did exactly that. October 2014 Tesla starts equipping Model S sedans with hardware that can automate some steering, braking, and acceleration functions. Although the software is not yet active, it calls the feature Autopilot. -Consumer Reports Autopilot, how it's sold, does not equate to "tech demo" in any circumstance, context or scenario. It's marketing garbage to sell more cars by mislabeling a feature that may exist a decade later. Now that we're a decade later, it's still not what it was promised, but ok!
  - wilg 3y ago
    I don't know what you're talking about. Autopilot did "automate some steering, braking, and acceleration functions" and was released in 2015. This conversation is about a different feature called FSD, of which a tech demo video was shown in 2016. My car can currently do everything that was shown in that tech demo.