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That too. I guess people have got used to paying for games now and are picking the console based on exclusives/general experience. In my mind the xbox is for d

That too. I guess people have got used to paying for games now and are picking the console based on exclusives/general experience. In my mind the xbox is for dudebro shooters and the playstation is for original, creative games. Things may have changed from the original xbox but it's too late for me.

bombcar 3y ago
Halo and XBMC really shaped (at least) my perception of the consoles even to this day; but I got an Xbox X because it plays blu-ray and was in stock. Later I learned the PS5 can't even play CDs so maybe I dodged a tiny bullet. Of course, most of the actual gaming happens on the Switch, but if it's cross-platform I'll probably get it on the Xbox (Hogwarts, for example).
- nottorp 3y ago
  > Halo and XBMC really shaped (at least) my perception of the consoles even to this day; but I got an Xbox X because it plays blu-ray and was in stock. Sorry. I played the windows port of the first Halo until some level with a jeep. I got lost in it, didn't know where to go, and I abandoned it. I kinda weaned myself off shooters (except Serious Sam) about then, or with some return to castle wolfenstein game which i found about as boring. And that was even before cover based shooters... As for XBMC... I don't like having a noisy power hungry box on when I watch a movie. Had different solutions, right now using a Chromecast. > Of course, most of the actual gaming happens on the Switch It's interesting from the outside how Nintendo has captured the minds of gamers everywhere where they grew up with those gameboys and NESes... Me, I grew up with ZX Spectrum clones that were 'just a computer'. Then I got different computers. Fine. Not really a fan of a platform.
somenameforme 3y ago
They seem to be going to PC, at least assuming few people are replacing consoles with mobile gaming. [1] I gamed on consoles for nearly 3 decades, but I don't understand the current appeal. 'Back in the day', consoles were heavily subsidized loss leaders, and launched with extremely high end hardware. The video card in the original XBox was not only a beast, but also worth substantially more than the entire console was sold for! At the same time PC gaming was pretty tough. Steam didn't even exist until 2003, and in it's early days - it was little more than a DRM wrapper for Counterstrike. And that was also the era when a new PC was outdated in a few months, and completely obsolete in a few years. Now we're in the era where consoles launch with midrange PC hardware sold at a markup to hit profitability ASAP, console games have things like day 1 patches/ad-filled dashboards/pay to use your own internet/etc, PC gaming has become amazingly convenient, and a decent PC from 5 years ago can still run nearly all new games today, with no performance issues whatsoever. [1] - https://www.visualcapitalist.com/50-years-gaming-history-revenue-stream/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/50-years-gaming-history-rev...
- nottorp 3y ago
  > but I don't understand the current appeal. Well I don't have a gaming video card atm. If i were to get one it would cost as much as i paid for the ps5. So I play indies and strategy on my pcs and macs (amd APU and a M2) and i get the few AAAs I'm interested in on console. For one a good bunch of them are Sony stuff and either show up on the playstation first or the pc ports are problematic. For two, if i ever got another Rockstar game, for example, I'll get it on console because Sony doesn't allow the mandatory account crap.
  - somenameforme 3y ago
    This is what I was getting at. You don't need anywhere even remotely near the cost of a PS5 video card to play AAA at high settings now a days. A quick search for 'ps5 equivalent video card' turns up a Radeon RX 5700 XT, with some people suggesting even less. An RX 5700 XT shows up for $230 on Amazon, so you can probably get it for much less. You can build an entire 'gaming PC' (which is IMO mostly an obsolete term, given what we're talking about here) for less than the cost of a PS5, because all consoles are now a days is midrange PCs at the time they launch. I also think the era of terribad ports is largely over. PC used to be a relatively small market, and consoles used to run on relatively esoteric hardware which really reached peak weird at the PS3, which greatly complicated ports, even for skilled teams. But since the PS4 era PCs now have more marketshare, and consoles are running lightly customized generic PC hardware, and so porting is much less of an issue. There can definitely be lazy ports, where the devs do things like keep the frame-rate rocked at 30 or whatever, or fail to support ultra-wide resolutions. But in the worst case scenario, you're generally just getting the 'console experience' there.
    - nottorp 3y ago
      > An RX 5700 XT shows up for $230 on Amazon, so you can probably get it for much less. You forgot the noise and maintaining drivers. I'm the kind that used to replace video card fans with passive radiators when that was still possible. If you can't hear the vacuum cleaner because you play with headphones, good for you :) > I also think the era of terribad ports is largely over. There are a few gaming companies that "have console in their DNA". No matter if the port does 15 or 1500 fps, they clearly designed for the controller and the 10ft distance on the couch. And there's always some quirk on PC that annoys you if you know how things work on a playstation. I'm not talking about frame rate here. For example soulsbornes and kojima games. Clearly best enjoyed on a console (Bloodborne is still a Playstation exclusive, and their best IMO), unless you have the 1200 fps fetish. Edit: hey, looky what I was just reading: Some of the Nvidia GPUs we tested initially showed rather poor performance, and if you experience serious stuttering you might want to try a full driver clean (we use Display Driver Uninstaller) followed by a reinstall of the latest drivers. We also tested in exclusive fullscreen mode, which seemed to give slightly better performance than the default fullscreen setting. A review on Tom's Hardware of the Horizon Forbidden West PC port. Needless to say, I've finished it ages ago and had no problems... on the PS5. The 5700XT seems to do 54 fps average at 1080p, so no 1200 fps fetish for me either if i get one.

bombcar 3y ago

Halo and XBMC really shaped (at least) my perception of the consoles even to this day; but I got an Xbox X because it plays blu-ray and was in stock. Later I learned the PS5 can't even play CDs so maybe I dodged a tiny bullet. Of course, most of the actual gaming happens on the Switch, but if it's cross-platform I'll probably get it on the Xbox (Hogwarts, for example).

nottorp 3y ago
> Halo and XBMC really shaped (at least) my perception of the consoles even to this day; but I got an Xbox X because it plays blu-ray and was in stock. Sorry. I played the windows port of the first Halo until some level with a jeep. I got lost in it, didn't know where to go, and I abandoned it. I kinda weaned myself off shooters (except Serious Sam) about then, or with some return to castle wolfenstein game which i found about as boring. And that was even before cover based shooters... As for XBMC... I don't like having a noisy power hungry box on when I watch a movie. Had different solutions, right now using a Chromecast. > Of course, most of the actual gaming happens on the Switch It's interesting from the outside how Nintendo has captured the minds of gamers everywhere where they grew up with those gameboys and NESes... Me, I grew up with ZX Spectrum clones that were 'just a computer'. Then I got different computers. Fine. Not really a fan of a platform.

somenameforme 3y ago

They seem to be going to PC, at least assuming few people are replacing consoles with mobile gaming. [1] I gamed on consoles for nearly 3 decades, but I don't understand the current appeal. 'Back in the day', consoles were heavily subsidized loss leaders, and launched with extremely high end hardware. The video card in the original XBox was not only a beast, but also worth substantially more than the entire console was sold for! At the same time PC gaming was pretty tough. Steam didn't even exist until 2003, and in it's early days - it was little more than a DRM wrapper for Counterstrike. And that was also the era when a new PC was outdated in a few months, and completely obsolete in a few years. Now we're in the era where consoles launch with midrange PC hardware sold at a markup to hit profitability ASAP, console games have things like day 1 patches/ad-filled dashboards/pay to use your own internet/etc, PC gaming has become amazingly convenient, and a decent PC from 5 years ago can still run nearly all new games today, with no performance issues whatsoever. [1] - https://www.visualcapitalist.com/50-years-gaming-history-revenue-stream/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/50-years-gaming-history-rev...

nottorp 3y ago
> but I don't understand the current appeal. Well I don't have a gaming video card atm. If i were to get one it would cost as much as i paid for the ps5. So I play indies and strategy on my pcs and macs (amd APU and a M2) and i get the few AAAs I'm interested in on console. For one a good bunch of them are Sony stuff and either show up on the playstation first or the pc ports are problematic. For two, if i ever got another Rockstar game, for example, I'll get it on console because Sony doesn't allow the mandatory account crap.
- somenameforme 3y ago
  This is what I was getting at. You don't need anywhere even remotely near the cost of a PS5 video card to play AAA at high settings now a days. A quick search for 'ps5 equivalent video card' turns up a Radeon RX 5700 XT, with some people suggesting even less. An RX 5700 XT shows up for $230 on Amazon, so you can probably get it for much less. You can build an entire 'gaming PC' (which is IMO mostly an obsolete term, given what we're talking about here) for less than the cost of a PS5, because all consoles are now a days is midrange PCs at the time they launch. I also think the era of terribad ports is largely over. PC used to be a relatively small market, and consoles used to run on relatively esoteric hardware which really reached peak weird at the PS3, which greatly complicated ports, even for skilled teams. But since the PS4 era PCs now have more marketshare, and consoles are running lightly customized generic PC hardware, and so porting is much less of an issue. There can definitely be lazy ports, where the devs do things like keep the frame-rate rocked at 30 or whatever, or fail to support ultra-wide resolutions. But in the worst case scenario, you're generally just getting the 'console experience' there.
  - nottorp 3y ago
    > An RX 5700 XT shows up for $230 on Amazon, so you can probably get it for much less. You forgot the noise and maintaining drivers. I'm the kind that used to replace video card fans with passive radiators when that was still possible. If you can't hear the vacuum cleaner because you play with headphones, good for you :) > I also think the era of terribad ports is largely over. There are a few gaming companies that "have console in their DNA". No matter if the port does 15 or 1500 fps, they clearly designed for the controller and the 10ft distance on the couch. And there's always some quirk on PC that annoys you if you know how things work on a playstation. I'm not talking about frame rate here. For example soulsbornes and kojima games. Clearly best enjoyed on a console (Bloodborne is still a Playstation exclusive, and their best IMO), unless you have the 1200 fps fetish. Edit: hey, looky what I was just reading: Some of the Nvidia GPUs we tested initially showed rather poor performance, and if you experience serious stuttering you might want to try a full driver clean (we use Display Driver Uninstaller) followed by a reinstall of the latest drivers. We also tested in exclusive fullscreen mode, which seemed to give slightly better performance than the default fullscreen setting. A review on Tom's Hardware of the Horizon Forbidden West PC port. Needless to say, I've finished it ages ago and had no problems... on the PS5. The 5700XT seems to do 54 fps average at 1080p, so no 1200 fps fetish for me either if i get one.