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Umm, you’re off by an order of magnitude. We could run several states for a year with what we’ve sent them. $75 billion: https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-

Umm, you’re off by an order of magnitude. We could run several states for a year with what we’ve sent them. $75 billion: https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine...

alephnerd 3y ago
The current argument against US Aid to Ukraine is over the current foreign aid package of $5B, which has turned into a culture war issue. I never heard similar arguments in 2016, 2019, or 2021.
- bequanna 3y ago
  The total amount that we’ve already gifted Ukraine is absolutely relevant when we discuss sending even more. Since we are running historic Federal deficits, every dollar we agree to send them comes at the expense of decreasing the purchasing power of Americans. Government spending at these levels contributes to inflation and makes Americans worse off. Enough is enough.
  - Temporary_31337 3y ago
    If the war escalates to Europe US companies will have nowhere to send their iPhones and Teslas to.
  - jajko 3y ago
    If US loses half a billion in European countries that are by far the most aligned with US view on how to run world and who should do it, suddenly it will be just US, Australia, New Zealand and... maybe few small states against russia and China. Nobody else, some 6?% of global population. Also its extremely rich continent when compared to the rest. Ie most of Africa already currently is anti-US (and anti-european) if you didnt notice and welcoming China and russia like long lost brothers, and its progressing. If US will give us big FU, we will manage russian expansionism on our own, with heavy losses, eventually, despite mostly pathetic leadership (ie germans really know how to put clueless folks sabotaging their own countries into leadership). But we wont ever be friends like we are now. Magas or similar fringe folks need to put together way more coherent arguments than these, since they dont make any sense from any rational point of view, even if completely US-centric and selfish.
bryanlarsen 3y ago
We didn't send $75B to Ukraine. Sending an almost expired 155mm artillery shell is counted as sending $8000 to Ukraine, but in reality we're saving ourselves the cost of destroying the shell once it expires. Yes, we'll have to spend $8000 to replace the shell, but we would have to replace it anyways since it has a limited shelf life.
- bequanna 3y ago
  Do you have some hard numbers to back this up? What percentage of that aid is just things we were going to “throw away”? I’d be willing to bet 5% or less of total aid falls in the category you mention.
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    The source that you yourself provided gives that breakdown. At most 37% of all aid was no strings attached cash. Everything else was either Military Gear, Training from American professionals, or Loans to purchase weapons systems.

alephnerd 3y ago

The current argument against US Aid to Ukraine is over the current foreign aid package of $5B, which has turned into a culture war issue. I never heard similar arguments in 2016, 2019, or 2021.

bequanna 3y ago
The total amount that we’ve already gifted Ukraine is absolutely relevant when we discuss sending even more. Since we are running historic Federal deficits, every dollar we agree to send them comes at the expense of decreasing the purchasing power of Americans. Government spending at these levels contributes to inflation and makes Americans worse off. Enough is enough.
- Temporary_31337 3y ago
  If the war escalates to Europe US companies will have nowhere to send their iPhones and Teslas to.
- jajko 3y ago
  If US loses half a billion in European countries that are by far the most aligned with US view on how to run world and who should do it, suddenly it will be just US, Australia, New Zealand and... maybe few small states against russia and China. Nobody else, some 6?% of global population. Also its extremely rich continent when compared to the rest. Ie most of Africa already currently is anti-US (and anti-european) if you didnt notice and welcoming China and russia like long lost brothers, and its progressing. If US will give us big FU, we will manage russian expansionism on our own, with heavy losses, eventually, despite mostly pathetic leadership (ie germans really know how to put clueless folks sabotaging their own countries into leadership). But we wont ever be friends like we are now. Magas or similar fringe folks need to put together way more coherent arguments than these, since they dont make any sense from any rational point of view, even if completely US-centric and selfish.

bryanlarsen 3y ago

We didn't send $75B to Ukraine. Sending an almost expired 155mm artillery shell is counted as sending $8000 to Ukraine, but in reality we're saving ourselves the cost of destroying the shell once it expires. Yes, we'll have to spend $8000 to replace the shell, but we would have to replace it anyways since it has a limited shelf life.

bequanna 3y ago
Do you have some hard numbers to back this up? What percentage of that aid is just things we were going to “throw away”? I’d be willing to bet 5% or less of total aid falls in the category you mention.
- alephnerd 3y ago
  The source that you yourself provided gives that breakdown. At most 37% of all aid was no strings attached cash. Everything else was either Military Gear, Training from American professionals, or Loans to purchase weapons systems.