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Reminder. Psychedelics can also lead to extremely traumatic experiences: https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=23788 https://www.dmt-nexus.me/f

Reminder. Psychedelics can also lead to extremely traumatic experiences: https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=23788 https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=23788 This doesn’t get mentioned in the current “psychedelics as a cure-all” hype wave.

mtalantikite 3y ago
Aren't people always talking about set and setting, after-trip integration, not taking them if there is a history of mental illness, not being on SSRIs, etc? If anyone at any time is telling people that something doesn't come with some sort of risk, they're either lying or ignorant. Especially true when it comes with the mind. Also, reading this linked person's comment, they were on DMT and it sounds like they have some strong ideas about how the universe works (they mention having been to "heaven" before and keep mentioning hell and evil and devils as if they are real). Yes, people should be careful, especially when they have issues with mental health.
- LoganDark 3y ago
  DMT is related to LSD (they're both tryptamines). I think DMT made them hallucinate those things which is why they talk "as if they are real" - that's something they felt like they genuinely experienced, which is what made it so traumatic. As for the heaven thing, I do not know if they were particularly susceptible to delusions before ever taking anything, but if they were, then it was probably not the right choice, yeah. It's hard to be self-aware about delusions if you don't know they're delusions. It's definitely possible though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU8VmJsX6-s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU8VmJsX6-s
  - mtalantikite 3y ago
    Oh for sure, I'm well aware of what DMT is like and I know it's very easy to get confused by things that come up during those trips since they are so vivid, which is why integration is important. He also took 60mg, which is on the high end of a strong dose afaik. I've wondered if it would be useful to approach psychedelics similar to the way that meditation is taught in vajrayana lineages, where you have to do preliminary mind trainings before you start advancing to other practices. If you encounter "hell" in a bad trip, like the person in the post, but have no way to understand it, it's easy to believe in it literally. I just watched a few minutes of that video you linked and I'll definitely watch it later, he seems very lucid about his delusions, thanks!
striking 3y ago
That's not been my experience, warnings about set and setting and being in the right headspace are pretty typical. It might not be mentioned in popsci articles but they're not expecting you to go out and actually take any.
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randcomment449 3y ago
The second time I took LSD, I had visions of rending flesh, falling endlessly into a vortex of gore. That was the mandala that time. This was mixed with dreamscape fantasies of conquest and rape on grandiose scale, a Roman emperor, slicing down hordes, restructuring time in a slash of blood, a ball of divine destruction held in potential, ready to be unleashed at any time. It was sexually arousing. Some might rationalize this, as getting a better grip on one's Jungian shadow. I sometimes view the experience that way, but sometimes I wonder if it slightly loosened some important retaining bolt. I'm pretty sure negative vibes can come out of the Pandora's psychedelic box, too. Also, this variability in effect hinders using it therapeutically. It's hard to "guide" a trip, and no one really trips in the same way twice.
- bongodongobob 3y ago
  Was that a heroic dose? I've had some strong visuals, but I've never been blasted into full blown hallucinations on LSD.
  - spoiler 3y ago
    Not op, but I've done heroic doses a few times (and lesser ones too). You don't need a heroic dose for ego death (but it probably helps). You could be listening to music in a dark room or with closed eyes, on a medium-high dose and you suddenly start disassociating. Also, you don't normally hallucinate in the same way media portrays it (there are drugs that make you hallucinate though) AFAIK (none of my friends or I hallucinated on psilocybin/LSD; I wouldn't call DMT hallucinations either). Ego death trips are more conceptual than purely visual, but there's a strong visual aspect to it too.
    - robbiep 3y ago
      I had had 15-20 ‘normal’ trips and then one (probs around 250mcg, but during Covid when I was totally spent and my ‘intention’ was to let go and wash away the stresses) where I was just ‘not there’. I had some pretty intense/scary visuals/thoughts, but what was terrifying to my partner and friend there was I was bumping into walls and just muttering. I had a new respect for why they call it chemically induced schizophrenia, I was just not home for 2 hours. Afterwards it wasn’t the worst thing in the world, but I had a massive newfound respect and have been very cautious with tbe dose (and intention!) the few times subsequently
datadeft 3y ago
Like driving a car or taking a flight can lead to death. Sure, what are the chances?
- Nesco 3y ago
  Could be very large, even close to 1, depending on how you react to it
  - willy_k 3y ago
    Sure? It could be bad for you if it’s bad for you, but the factors and reactions are pretty varied. Taking psychedelics is kind of like driving up a mountain - if it’s storming (anxiety etc.) and/or your lights are out (preconceptions, psychosis), you’re more likely to end up in a bad state, but there’s still the chance of making it to a scenic view, and the people who do get a pretty significant (learning) experience out of it.
Nesco 3y ago
I cannot upvote this enough. Having a bad trip is plainly one of the most horrible experiences of my life
- pvarangot 3y ago
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- empath-nirvana 3y ago
  I agree with this but I found it to be an extremely valuable experience all the same.

mtalantikite 3y ago

Aren't people always talking about set and setting, after-trip integration, not taking them if there is a history of mental illness, not being on SSRIs, etc? If anyone at any time is telling people that something doesn't come with some sort of risk, they're either lying or ignorant. Especially true when it comes with the mind. Also, reading this linked person's comment, they were on DMT and it sounds like they have some strong ideas about how the universe works (they mention having been to "heaven" before and keep mentioning hell and evil and devils as if they are real). Yes, people should be careful, especially when they have issues with mental health.

LoganDark 3y ago
DMT is related to LSD (they're both tryptamines). I think DMT made them hallucinate those things which is why they talk "as if they are real" - that's something they felt like they genuinely experienced, which is what made it so traumatic. As for the heaven thing, I do not know if they were particularly susceptible to delusions before ever taking anything, but if they were, then it was probably not the right choice, yeah. It's hard to be self-aware about delusions if you don't know they're delusions. It's definitely possible though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU8VmJsX6-s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU8VmJsX6-s
- mtalantikite 3y ago
  Oh for sure, I'm well aware of what DMT is like and I know it's very easy to get confused by things that come up during those trips since they are so vivid, which is why integration is important. He also took 60mg, which is on the high end of a strong dose afaik. I've wondered if it would be useful to approach psychedelics similar to the way that meditation is taught in vajrayana lineages, where you have to do preliminary mind trainings before you start advancing to other practices. If you encounter "hell" in a bad trip, like the person in the post, but have no way to understand it, it's easy to believe in it literally. I just watched a few minutes of that video you linked and I'll definitely watch it later, he seems very lucid about his delusions, thanks!

striking 3y ago

That's not been my experience, warnings about set and setting and being in the right headspace are pretty typical. It might not be mentioned in popsci articles but they're not expecting you to go out and actually take any.

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randcomment449 3y ago

The second time I took LSD, I had visions of rending flesh, falling endlessly into a vortex of gore. That was the mandala that time. This was mixed with dreamscape fantasies of conquest and rape on grandiose scale, a Roman emperor, slicing down hordes, restructuring time in a slash of blood, a ball of divine destruction held in potential, ready to be unleashed at any time. It was sexually arousing. Some might rationalize this, as getting a better grip on one's Jungian shadow. I sometimes view the experience that way, but sometimes I wonder if it slightly loosened some important retaining bolt. I'm pretty sure negative vibes can come out of the Pandora's psychedelic box, too. Also, this variability in effect hinders using it therapeutically. It's hard to "guide" a trip, and no one really trips in the same way twice.

bongodongobob 3y ago
Was that a heroic dose? I've had some strong visuals, but I've never been blasted into full blown hallucinations on LSD.
- spoiler 3y ago
  Not op, but I've done heroic doses a few times (and lesser ones too). You don't need a heroic dose for ego death (but it probably helps). You could be listening to music in a dark room or with closed eyes, on a medium-high dose and you suddenly start disassociating. Also, you don't normally hallucinate in the same way media portrays it (there are drugs that make you hallucinate though) AFAIK (none of my friends or I hallucinated on psilocybin/LSD; I wouldn't call DMT hallucinations either). Ego death trips are more conceptual than purely visual, but there's a strong visual aspect to it too.
  - robbiep 3y ago
    I had had 15-20 ‘normal’ trips and then one (probs around 250mcg, but during Covid when I was totally spent and my ‘intention’ was to let go and wash away the stresses) where I was just ‘not there’. I had some pretty intense/scary visuals/thoughts, but what was terrifying to my partner and friend there was I was bumping into walls and just muttering. I had a new respect for why they call it chemically induced schizophrenia, I was just not home for 2 hours. Afterwards it wasn’t the worst thing in the world, but I had a massive newfound respect and have been very cautious with tbe dose (and intention!) the few times subsequently

datadeft 3y ago

Like driving a car or taking a flight can lead to death. Sure, what are the chances?

Nesco 3y ago
Could be very large, even close to 1, depending on how you react to it
- willy_k 3y ago
  Sure? It could be bad for you if it’s bad for you, but the factors and reactions are pretty varied. Taking psychedelics is kind of like driving up a mountain - if it’s storming (anxiety etc.) and/or your lights are out (preconceptions, psychosis), you’re more likely to end up in a bad state, but there’s still the chance of making it to a scenic view, and the people who do get a pretty significant (learning) experience out of it.

Nesco 3y ago

I cannot upvote this enough. Having a bad trip is plainly one of the most horrible experiences of my life

pvarangot 3y ago
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empath-nirvana 3y ago
I agree with this but I found it to be an extremely valuable experience all the same.