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This is a sensitive topic, but an important one. I would like to engage in discussions, apologies in advance if any of this offends and makes people uncomfortab
by NikolaNovak 3y ago
This is a sensitive topic, but an important one. I would like to engage in discussions, apologies in advance if any of this offends and makes people uncomfortable. I will try to learn and be respectful.
First minor point - 3 million daily viewers worldwide is WAY less than I thought twitch has. We keep talking about gaming becoming mainstream, but 50+million people watched friends finale in USA alone. Twitch is not as big as I thought.
Second:
"The sexualized representation of women in the media shapes gender attitudes, dehumanizes women, and legitimizes violence against them"
I haven't realized and I'd need some convincing that line between sexuality and legitimizing violence is so straight, firm, and one-to-one. My hope for future is that women and indeed any gender, can choose to display and engage, with any level of sexuality (including "none" and "lots") as much as they damned well please. It feels... "Wrong" to indicate that "sexual display legitimize violen". Am I too easily triggered that this feels slightly like victim shaming?
Third, As another commenter points out, genders are equal but not necessarily the same, biological and often culturally, and their target markets are different in their preferences as well. Is that morally good or bad? The paper appears to assume it is. I'd like more discussion on that.
- pvg 3y ago50 million viewers in a completely different environment/entertainment culture - no streaming, a small number of TV networks available to everyone, etc. TV shows generally don't get 50 million viewers now and there are plenty of online events with viewership numbers comparable to those of major TV shows, eg a Fortnite event with 10+ million viewers.
- Jrjrir48 3y ago> 3 million daily viewers worldwide is WAY less Twitch was suppose to be child friendly streaming service. Now it is soft-porn streaming site. So I assume kids (who like Minecraft, not porn) left and moved somewhere else. And other kids (who like porn) moved to some *hub that matches their preferences. Other points are kind of irrelevant. Bobie streamers are not harmed, are self-employed, and are "sexualizing" themselves. Many of them are former sex workers, they can make more money on streaming. You could even say, Twitch reduces overall violence.
- trashtensor 3y agoI'm not particularly knowledgeable on this either but it strikes me that women (or woman-presenting) are on average more sexualized in media and are expected to be sexualized. Whereas men and male-presenting people don't have the same expectations so they aren't sexuality-first, person second. So I think there's some ideal there in your statement that's on the nose, anybody can express their sexuality without some societal baggage, but that's not how it is today.
- thomastjeffery 3y ago> "The sexualized representation of women in the media shapes gender attitudes, dehumanizes women, and legitimizes violence against them" Nah, that's total bullshit. Dehumanized by sex? That's literally what made us human! Immodesty is not violence.
- rightbyte 3y agoThe dehumanizing part is commercialing it. I am not saying I want it outlawed or banned, but like, it is very unromantic.
- thomastjeffery 3y agoWhat does romance have to do with sex? There is plenty of sex happening without it.
- rightbyte 3y agoI meant romantic in a more general sense than romantic relationships. Only Fans is to sex what McDonalds is to hamburgers ...
- geraldhh 3y agoi tend to agree that commercialization dehumanizes society, otoh this process is very non-discriminatory in nature and hence somewhat "fair"
- rightbyte 3y agoAnd with gig economy commoditization, for extra flair.