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Is that true? I wouldn't know what a minor basilica is per se but I definitely know what a cathedral is. I'm orthodox but I think nearly all lay orthodox christ

Is that true? I wouldn't know what a minor basilica is per se but I definitely know what a cathedral is. I'm orthodox but I think nearly all lay orthodox christians can name their own bishop and the cathedral of his seat, the definition of cathedral being kind of implicit in that administrative awareness. Maybe it's different for catholics? I'll ask some, I am curious now.

rsynnott 3y ago
I don't think most Catholics would know what a minor basilica was, and I'd expect most to misidentify the Sagrada Familia as a cathedral. And that's before you even get into pro-cathedrals and things... 70% of Ireland is nominally Catholic, and look at the confusion over this, say: https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/dublin/2023/06/22/dublin-to-finally-get-a-catholic-cathedral-under-church-plan-but-on-the-southside/ https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/dublin/2023/06/22/dublin-... Like, the church had to come out and clarify that Dublin didn't have a cathedral.
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  Yeah I'm ready to concede this, mostly based on a poll I just saw showing half of canadian catholics not knowing what transubstantiation is. But still I think these are bad examples. If asked before this thread I would have said sagrada familia is a cathedral. But that's out of ignorance about that building, not about what a cathedral is. The dublin confusion looks similar to me: those people may know well what a cathedral is and just thought the pro-cathedral was one.
- Tabular-Iceberg 3y ago
  What on earth is going on in that picture of St Andrew’s Church?
  - rsynnott 3y ago
    Luxury mass. Nah, some event, I assume. It's a big church in the city centre, and I'd assume it has virtually no parishioners these days, so wouldn't surprise me if they use it for other stuff.
Tabular-Iceberg 3y ago
The Orthodox Church wasn’t nearly as affected by modernism as Catholicism was. You can see it directly in church architecture. Compare Catholic Church interiors from the early 20th century and ones now. Now do the same comparison for Orthodox ones. It’s clear that the former desperately don’t want to be Catholic anymore.
- QuarterReptile 3y ago
  I was with you until the last sentence. The seminarians have shifted very far ideologically away from the cohort who moved the altars, ripped out communion rails, and stripped the ornamentation. That's pretty much consistent with the cohort of Catholics who attend mass weekly (a bare minimum requirement). Those rails, altars, and decorations are being renovated back into place in some places.

rsynnott 3y ago

I don't think most Catholics would know what a minor basilica was, and I'd expect most to misidentify the Sagrada Familia as a cathedral. And that's before you even get into pro-cathedrals and things... 70% of Ireland is nominally Catholic, and look at the confusion over this, say: https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/dublin/2023/06/22/dublin-to-finally-get-a-catholic-cathedral-under-church-plan-but-on-the-southside/ https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/dublin/2023/06/22/dublin-... Like, the church had to come out and clarify that Dublin didn't have a cathedral.

giraffe_lady 3y ago
Yeah I'm ready to concede this, mostly based on a poll I just saw showing half of canadian catholics not knowing what transubstantiation is. But still I think these are bad examples. If asked before this thread I would have said sagrada familia is a cathedral. But that's out of ignorance about that building, not about what a cathedral is. The dublin confusion looks similar to me: those people may know well what a cathedral is and just thought the pro-cathedral was one.
Tabular-Iceberg 3y ago
What on earth is going on in that picture of St Andrew’s Church?
- rsynnott 3y ago
  Luxury mass. Nah, some event, I assume. It's a big church in the city centre, and I'd assume it has virtually no parishioners these days, so wouldn't surprise me if they use it for other stuff.

Tabular-Iceberg 3y ago

The Orthodox Church wasn’t nearly as affected by modernism as Catholicism was. You can see it directly in church architecture. Compare Catholic Church interiors from the early 20th century and ones now. Now do the same comparison for Orthodox ones. It’s clear that the former desperately don’t want to be Catholic anymore.

QuarterReptile 3y ago
I was with you until the last sentence. The seminarians have shifted very far ideologically away from the cohort who moved the altars, ripped out communion rails, and stripped the ornamentation. That's pretty much consistent with the cohort of Catholics who attend mass weekly (a bare minimum requirement). Those rails, altars, and decorations are being renovated back into place in some places.