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If you’re lucky enough to be on a Linux system that uses apt some thankless soul maintains a repo called deadsnakes with all these binaries. Fabulous if you’re

If you’re lucky enough to be on a Linux system that uses apt some thankless soul maintains a repo called deadsnakes with all these binaries. Fabulous if you’re using any somewhat old version of Python in CI for instance. Yum based systems are SOL as far as I can tell. Build and host your own binary for that. Apk doesn’t have this either IIRC

rbanffy 3y ago
If you are deploying to such an ancient OS, it's perhaps easier to have the whole OS packaged as a container or a VM and use that. It's not only different Python versions that might bite you.
- Hackbraten 3y ago
  What makes you think that GP’s comment is talking about older OSes? My understanding of their comment is that they’re talking about getting older Python interpreters to run on more modern OSes, modern enough that they don’t carry the older Python as a system package anymore. Hence, deadsnakes.
  - SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
    This is not about system packages or OSes, this is about your application needing Python 3.9.7 specifically, and locking to that, and 3.9.7 not being available in repositories anymore (3.9.7 is just an example). So normally you would either need to self host 3.9.7 somewhere or compile it from source on every new machine (which is terrible for CI but fine for local dev, a one off in local dev to build a Python version is nothing but paying 4 minutes every time on ci to compile your version of Python from source is a very angry amount of time for a lot of people).
    - rbanffy 3y ago
      > needing Python 3.9.7 specifically That's indeed extremely specific. I'd imagine this pain could be self-inflicted with C-based extensions that were compiled (and can't be recompiled) with structures that don't exist in other versions. I don't want to imagine what other eldritch horrors await developers working on this application.
      - SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
        Usually it is not the patch version being important eg being specifically 3.9.7, but rather picking one supported version and pinning it. Yes we should all be on the latest Python version that is available in the mainline repos and distros as a binary but a lot of orgs I’ve seen don’t invest the time and effort to properly be upgrading to be on the latest version of deps. So you are usually having one specific supported Python version that everyone builds against which may or may not be new enough to be in the official repo. I also imagine the scenario you mentioned causing a lock to a patch version. But I see this as just a normal steady state a lot of orgs drift to if not staying on top of version updates
hermitdev 3y ago
deadsnakes is useful, but also a bit of a misnomer. One can use it to get pretty much anything python version, even ones that are too new to be available in your default apt repos. That is, it's not just for 'dead'/EOL versions.
BiteCode_dev 3y ago
The thankless soul is the awesome Anthony Sottile, who is also the author of pre-commit.ci: https://twitter.com/codewithanthony https://twitter.com/codewithanthony Drop by and send thanks cause he really needs them.
bmitc 3y ago
That's exactly why I don't really on that for Ubuntu though. It's a single point of failure, when I can just use `asdf` to install Python and easily switch between it, automatically if setup correctly on projects.
- SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
  I use asdf on my local machine, stuff like deadsnakes is for when you need your CI to use VaguelyOldButStillSupported Python version and don’t want to either compile Python from source or host your own binary
  - bmitc 3y ago
    My use case is that I'm almost always using the latest Python version, which many Linux distros don't have in their packaging yet, and I'm upgrading code using old versions to the latest. asdf is the best tool for that.

rbanffy 3y ago

If you are deploying to such an ancient OS, it's perhaps easier to have the whole OS packaged as a container or a VM and use that. It's not only different Python versions that might bite you.

Hackbraten 3y ago
What makes you think that GP’s comment is talking about older OSes? My understanding of their comment is that they’re talking about getting older Python interpreters to run on more modern OSes, modern enough that they don’t carry the older Python as a system package anymore. Hence, deadsnakes.
- SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
  This is not about system packages or OSes, this is about your application needing Python 3.9.7 specifically, and locking to that, and 3.9.7 not being available in repositories anymore (3.9.7 is just an example). So normally you would either need to self host 3.9.7 somewhere or compile it from source on every new machine (which is terrible for CI but fine for local dev, a one off in local dev to build a Python version is nothing but paying 4 minutes every time on ci to compile your version of Python from source is a very angry amount of time for a lot of people).
  - rbanffy 3y ago
    > needing Python 3.9.7 specifically That's indeed extremely specific. I'd imagine this pain could be self-inflicted with C-based extensions that were compiled (and can't be recompiled) with structures that don't exist in other versions. I don't want to imagine what other eldritch horrors await developers working on this application.
    - SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
      Usually it is not the patch version being important eg being specifically 3.9.7, but rather picking one supported version and pinning it. Yes we should all be on the latest Python version that is available in the mainline repos and distros as a binary but a lot of orgs I’ve seen don’t invest the time and effort to properly be upgrading to be on the latest version of deps. So you are usually having one specific supported Python version that everyone builds against which may or may not be new enough to be in the official repo. I also imagine the scenario you mentioned causing a lock to a patch version. But I see this as just a normal steady state a lot of orgs drift to if not staying on top of version updates

hermitdev 3y ago

deadsnakes is useful, but also a bit of a misnomer. One can use it to get pretty much anything python version, even ones that are too new to be available in your default apt repos. That is, it's not just for 'dead'/EOL versions.

BiteCode_dev 3y ago

The thankless soul is the awesome Anthony Sottile, who is also the author of pre-commit.ci: https://twitter.com/codewithanthony https://twitter.com/codewithanthony Drop by and send thanks cause he really needs them.

bmitc 3y ago

That's exactly why I don't really on that for Ubuntu though. It's a single point of failure, when I can just use `asdf` to install Python and easily switch between it, automatically if setup correctly on projects.

SOLAR_FIELDS 3y ago
I use asdf on my local machine, stuff like deadsnakes is for when you need your CI to use VaguelyOldButStillSupported Python version and don’t want to either compile Python from source or host your own binary
- bmitc 3y ago
  My use case is that I'm almost always using the latest Python version, which many Linux distros don't have in their packaging yet, and I'm upgrading code using old versions to the latest. asdf is the best tool for that.