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It's amazing if you haven't gone, especially when sunlight streams in through the windows. I saw a quote while I was there that was something along the lines o
by jihadjihad 3y ago
It's amazing if you haven't gone, especially when sunlight streams in through the windows.
I saw a quote while I was there that was something along the lines of, "Gaudí is not an artist with whom posthumous collaboration is possible." A couple minutes walking around the church is all that's needed to confirm that notion.
- Abishek_Muthian 3y agoIs it wheelchair friendly?
- helpfulContrib 3y ago[dead]
- diggan 3y ago> I saw a quote while I was there that was something along the lines of, "Gaudí is not an artist with whom posthumous collaboration is possible." A couple minutes walking around the church is all that's needed to confirm that notion. Maybe I misunderstand "posthumous collaboration", but the church is literally being built after Gaudi's demise by a bunch of other people, isn't that posthumous collaboration?
- overview 3y agoIt’s referring to the collaboration on the design itself.
- diggan 3y agoEven that isn't true. Lots of original models/drawings have been lost, new designers interpret or reconstruct what they think Gaudi wanted to do, based on incomplete plans or where decisions weren't fully made. Not to mention new materials are available today that are being used and new processes/workflows which change the results slightly too. Sagrada Familia isn't a 100% implementation of the original vision, as even the original vision was incomplete when Gaudi died.
- rob74 3y agoOk, maybe he didn't specify how all the statues, doors, windows and other embellishments should look like, but the basic structure and shape (the three portals and the 18 spires which also determine how the support columns in the interior of the church are placed) is the same as in Gaudí's original plans.
- matthewdgreen 3y agoThe original statement still makes sense, though, if you correctly interpret it as critique and warning.
- CPLX 3y agoSometimes people say things indirectly. In this case what they are saying is that Gaudi’s design sense is so unique and iconoclastic that it’s essentially impossible to mix it with other styles of design.
- lucianbr 3y agoBuzzword bingo isn't restricted to software. The statement just says "Gaudi was a great architect". But it sounds more impressive to talk about "posthumous collaboration", especially if you don't analyze it.
- epolanski 3y ago> Sagrada Familia isn't a 100% implementation of the original vision That's what makes it more interesting and fascinating.
- mgkimsal 3y agoMaybe not on the design and original plans? IIRC they're trying to do everything according to original designs, which would not be 'collaboration', just... implementation. It's been over 30 years since I was there though - some friends who went more recently said a lot more has been done since then. Might be fun to go back and look for the differences, but I do not remember much detail, just a sense of 'big'.
- gorbypark 3y agoIf I am not mistaken, the original designs were destroyed during the Spanish Civil War.
- whereismyacc 3y agoYeah iirc his studio burned down at the hands of anarchist vandalists. Building some great indulgent monument to god wasn't exactly uncontroversial in the political climate at the time, as I understand it. Anyway, his plans wouldn't have been detailed enough to just go and build it. There was a lot of interpretation to be done in any case.
- epolanski 3y agoI think all of this makes it a more fascinating building.
- felipeerias 3y agoThe destruction of Gaudi’s studio wasn’t exceptional. The Republican forces destroyed many other religious buildings and works of art throughout Spain before and during the Civil War.
- wzdd 3y agoIt's just a nice way of saying it's difficult work because Gaudi was a genius and they can't hope to equal him. It doesn't mean they won't try their best.
- azulster 3y agoi understood it to mean that the architectural vision of Gaudi was so original and singular that and future work could only be completion of an original design, an imitation of the already completed work, or an obviously seperated style (like inserting a jazz solo in mozart) in contrast other architects worked within a well defined style with rules and systems that can be worked within by modern architects to "posthumously" collaborate. like how you can use the principles of gothic architecture to add a modern addition to a gothic cathedral. the only principle Gaudi followed was natural inspiration and his own interpretation of that, something nobody could ever define
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- cmpalmer52 3y agoI’m not particularly religious and not Catholic, but the Sagrada Familia brought me to tears. The interior is one of the most beautiful man-made spaces I’ve ever seen.
- gigatexal 3y agoSame. Just from sheer beauty of the place got me
- brandall10 3y agoAgreed, went last summer and have told at least a dozen people how it’s the most impressive interior I’ve been inside in my 48 years. Stayed for 3 hours just to observe the shifting light. I’ll be in Barcelona again on Thurs, can’t wait to go back.
- dannyphantom 3y agoI hope you have a great trip! If you find yourself with a window of free time, there is a bakery called Pastisseria Hofmann that makes a sweet cream filled croissant that is dangerously good. We got one in ~2018 and have wanted another one since haha
- brandall10 3y agoAbsolutely will... that's right down my alley. Thanks for the suggestion!
- thekid314 3y agoI have the same problem, but with a bakery in St. Louis Senegal. That darn brown butter filled pastry is still in my dreams.
- dnsbty 3y agoSpent two months in Barcelona over the last year, and I second the recommendation. The mascarpone croissant is excellent, but I would actually recommend the raspberry jam croissant even more highly. I haven’t had a thing from Pastisseria Hofmann that I didn’t like.
- hylaride 3y agoI saw it 20 years ago and it was impressive, but it's hard to take in fully with the crowds.
- brabel 3y agoI was there around 20 years ago as well, and I remember it was mostly empty, which added to the feeling of grandeur. But I was there in winter, of course.
- hylaride 3y agoYeah, Barcelona doesn't really have a quiet time from tourists anymore. It's a shame, but I acknowledge that my desire to travel is part of the problem. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- lqet 3y ago> It's amazing if you haven't gone, especially when sunlight streams in through the windows. I have been to Barcelona 4 times since I was a kid (1998, 2006, 2009, 2014), and every time the Sagrada Familia looked a little more finished, but still far from being completed. It blows my mind that it will finally be completed in 2 years.
- gigatexal 3y agoSame. It was such an amazing experience. We really want to go back. Just to sit there in awe of all of it.
- changoplatanero 3y agoGaudí dedicated his life to making a monument to Jesus and after he died it’s become a famous monument to Gaudí
- dugmartin 3y agoI've tried to explain to people what that sunlight through the upper stained windows does to the light in that huge room but failed. It is like the light around you is alive. I think I stood there for five minutes silently just taking it in.
- dave333 3y agoWas there in early December when the sun is lower and really lights up the stained glass. The flamenco shows are fun too.