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The more uncharitable interpretation of this would be that Microsoft has enmeshed itself to such an extent such that the bundling of Office365+Entra+Azure+Teams

The more uncharitable interpretation of this would be that Microsoft has enmeshed itself to such an extent such that the bundling of Office365+Entra+Azure+Teams isn’t worth the loss of these services to governments who may potentially want to launch an investigation.

thiago_fm 3y ago
Lots of governments in the EU uses Linux and non-Microsoft alternatives. I'm guessing the EU is focused on consumer, not B2B focused companies
- filleokus 3y ago
  > Lots Citation needed as they say. Even if it's true that's it more than 0, my estimate would be far in excess of 90% (of governmental employees who do their work inside of the Microsoft ecosystem). But your other point about not focusing on B2B is probably more true. However recent stuff like the cloud egress fees (EU Data ACT) shows that they do care about B2B sometimes at least.
kypro 3y ago
Not suggesting this is the reasoning, but interestingly same is true of Amazon which powers a lot of gov infrastructure.
- supriyo-biswas 3y ago
  For Amazon, they’ve been unable to enmesh themselves in the same way, and with the EU DATA act passed, I’d assume they’d make quick work of the egress fees which are the main barrier towards multi-cloud architectures.
concinds 3y ago
Not at all. The EU announced just days ago that they're investigating MS Entra+365 https://www.theregister.com/2024/03/22/eu_antitrust_microsoft_entra_id/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/03/22/eu_antitrust_microsof... They started an investigation on 365+Teams a year ago: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_23_3991 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_23_... And Microsoft complied by unbundling Teams in the EEA: https://www.reuters.com/technology/microsoft-unbundle-teams-office-seeks-avert-eu-antitrust-fine-2023-08-31/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/microsoft-unbundle-teams-... and late last year, the EU asked Teams rivals whether they still thought there was an issue: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/microsoft-rivals-asked-if-teams-offer-addresses-concerns-eu-document-2023-11-28/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/microsoft-rivals-asked-...
- dacryn 3y ago
  whilst similar, an antitrust investigation is different than this one. Microsoft should be on both lists.
  - concinds 3y ago
    They are "on both lists". The DMA is about platform gatekeeping, and the EU did designate Microsoft a gatekeeper with Windows. Microsoft's DMA changes include allowing Edge to be uninstalled, interoperability in Search and Widgets, asking users for consent before syncing content through the connected Microsoft account, and more strictly respecting browser defaults.
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thiago_fm 3y ago

Lots of governments in the EU uses Linux and non-Microsoft alternatives. I'm guessing the EU is focused on consumer, not B2B focused companies

filleokus 3y ago
> Lots Citation needed as they say. Even if it's true that's it more than 0, my estimate would be far in excess of 90% (of governmental employees who do their work inside of the Microsoft ecosystem). But your other point about not focusing on B2B is probably more true. However recent stuff like the cloud egress fees (EU Data ACT) shows that they do care about B2B sometimes at least.

kypro 3y ago

Not suggesting this is the reasoning, but interestingly same is true of Amazon which powers a lot of gov infrastructure.

supriyo-biswas 3y ago
For Amazon, they’ve been unable to enmesh themselves in the same way, and with the EU DATA act passed, I’d assume they’d make quick work of the egress fees which are the main barrier towards multi-cloud architectures.

concinds 3y ago

Not at all. The EU announced just days ago that they're investigating MS Entra+365 https://www.theregister.com/2024/03/22/eu_antitrust_microsoft_entra_id/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/03/22/eu_antitrust_microsof... They started an investigation on 365+Teams a year ago: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_23_3991 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_23_... And Microsoft complied by unbundling Teams in the EEA: https://www.reuters.com/technology/microsoft-unbundle-teams-office-seeks-avert-eu-antitrust-fine-2023-08-31/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/microsoft-unbundle-teams-... and late last year, the EU asked Teams rivals whether they still thought there was an issue: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/microsoft-rivals-asked-if-teams-offer-addresses-concerns-eu-document-2023-11-28/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/microsoft-rivals-asked-...

dacryn 3y ago
whilst similar, an antitrust investigation is different than this one. Microsoft should be on both lists.
- concinds 3y ago
  They are "on both lists". The DMA is about platform gatekeeping, and the EU did designate Microsoft a gatekeeper with Windows. Microsoft's DMA changes include allowing Edge to be uninstalled, interoperability in Search and Widgets, asking users for consent before syncing content through the connected Microsoft account, and more strictly respecting browser defaults.

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