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I think you might be misreading that -- it says that users either pay the $11 or consent to the tracking that reduces the price to free (in theory, anyway).

FredPret 3y ago
The deal is perfectly reasonable, but this is what the EU is objecting to
- shortsunblack 3y ago
  Consent under GDPR has to be 'freely' given. Economic coercion is not freely given consent. Further, fundamental human rights are not for sale. No person can contract themselves into slavery, even if they are "willing".
  - FredPret 3y ago
    Consent in any marketplace is a precondition to participation. Why would Meta continue to operate in an environment where they can't serve targeted ads (the only kind that works) or charge a subscription?
    - shortsunblack 3y ago
      Meta can choose not to operate in the environment. It won't, though. Showing ads (not personalized) still yields them a profit in EEA market. And under GDPR we have a specific definition of consent. Your liberatarian dilusions are not the terms of the discourse. (32) "Consent should be given by a clear affirmative act establishing a freely given, specific, informed and unambiguous indication of the data subject's agreement to the processing of personal data relating to him or her, such as by a written statement, including by electronic means, or an oral statement." Many commentators challenge the notion of a user being able to consent to such processing, since Facebook has monopolistic power in the marketplace ensured by network effects. It is then impossible for a user to give a "freely given" consent. The same way an employee cannot consent to the employer's processing of his or her data. There is also a question of whether the consent Facebook asks for is specific. It really is not, if you've seen the intimidating choice screen forcing users to act (which itself is likely illegal under EU consumer rights protection). The choice screen also uses Facebook's primary color (blue) for nudging the user to consent. This also infringes on the "freely given" aspect, by using dark patterns.
- hardwaresofton 3y ago
  Ah thank you, I was certainly misunderstanding!

FredPret 3y ago

The deal is perfectly reasonable, but this is what the EU is objecting to

shortsunblack 3y ago
Consent under GDPR has to be 'freely' given. Economic coercion is not freely given consent. Further, fundamental human rights are not for sale. No person can contract themselves into slavery, even if they are "willing".
- FredPret 3y ago
  Consent in any marketplace is a precondition to participation. Why would Meta continue to operate in an environment where they can't serve targeted ads (the only kind that works) or charge a subscription?
  - shortsunblack 3y ago
    Meta can choose not to operate in the environment. It won't, though. Showing ads (not personalized) still yields them a profit in EEA market. And under GDPR we have a specific definition of consent. Your liberatarian dilusions are not the terms of the discourse. (32) "Consent should be given by a clear affirmative act establishing a freely given, specific, informed and unambiguous indication of the data subject's agreement to the processing of personal data relating to him or her, such as by a written statement, including by electronic means, or an oral statement." Many commentators challenge the notion of a user being able to consent to such processing, since Facebook has monopolistic power in the marketplace ensured by network effects. It is then impossible for a user to give a "freely given" consent. The same way an employee cannot consent to the employer's processing of his or her data. There is also a question of whether the consent Facebook asks for is specific. It really is not, if you've seen the intimidating choice screen forcing users to act (which itself is likely illegal under EU consumer rights protection). The choice screen also uses Facebook's primary color (blue) for nudging the user to consent. This also infringes on the "freely given" aspect, by using dark patterns.
hardwaresofton 3y ago
Ah thank you, I was certainly misunderstanding!