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Awesome! https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1772207590212063397 https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1772207590212063397 ~~ I wish they would also

Awesome! https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1772207590212063397 https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1772207590212063397 ~~ I wish they would also push forward with cookie consent pop-up - 1) enforce easy reject (as it should be but dumb websites hide it away, which is illegal) and better yet 2) enforce it on a browser config level like we have do-not-track config but should be with 3 levels and enforceable.

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whywhywhywhy 3y ago
> cookie consent pop-up The second you call it a pop-up it's just more hell, should just be a browser setting that has to be abided by. No popup, no constantly asking me for consent. I should consent once, ONCE!
- bootsmann 3y ago
  The biggest browser manufacturer is not interested in making it easy to opt out of tracking cookies for some reason, wonder why that is…
  - ktosobcy 3y ago
    And because of that it should be _forced_ to do so...
  - atomicUpdate 3y ago
    They're literally working on a feature to disable third party coookies by default: https://blog.google/products/chrome/privacy-sandbox-tracking-protection/ https://blog.google/products/chrome/privacy-sandbox-tracking... How does that fit in with your conspiracy theorizing?
    - bootsmann 3y ago
      Tracking cookies != Third party cookies
- sofixa 3y ago
  A browser setting would be binary - yes or no. A per site consent dialog, with per "partner" option, with easy to use "Decline all" / "Allow all" buttons, is much more granular. Maybe you're OK with a random community website "tracking" you because you know it makes them more money from ads; but you're not OK with Meta tracking you across the whole web.
  - flanked-evergl 3y ago
    > A browser setting would be binary - yes or no. Many other browser settings are specific per site. This can also be.
  - ktosobcy 3y ago
    Other settings are per site and this one can be as well - you can select "reject all", "accept all" (or "reject non-essential") and be done with that... or use "ask each time" like with mic/camera and there would be small, tiny, browser-ui pop-up in usual place...
- tbrownaw 3y ago
  > should just be a browser setting that has to be abided by It should be a browser setting that is enforced by the browser. If I open something in private mode, or use the multi-account containers extension (Firefox), cookies are isolated or forgotten without any involvement from the remote party. The site doesn't need to know or care.
oaiey 3y ago
a precedence in pay-or-consent would uproot a lot of news business. Overdue because this is illegal since GDPR but this is a tough cookie (oh the wordplay) for many organizations.
boxed 3y ago
I guess they don't feel comfortable mandating how open source software is written? Safari could be mandated to do something like this and honestly I think Apple would be very happy to do it, but it's a bit weirder with Firefox...
- ktosobcy 3y ago
  I'd say that Firefox would be even on board with the idea (weird they haven't proposed it themselves). Besides - EU could create a law saying: "website should obey browser setting and if such setting is not present allow user to consent to tracking"
  - boxed 3y ago
    That's a good start for sure. And when Safari and Firefox implement it instantly, and if Chromium rejects a PR for it, then can make it a law.
vmfunction 3y ago
Cookies in 2024 is kinda irrelevant, more important is to prevent fingerprinting of veriest kind (CSS, fonts, GPU, screen size etc).
- ben_w 3y ago
  The actual law is about any kind of personal data, including but not limited to fingerprinting web/app users, which can be associated with a real human. European fear of harms caused by malicious use of databases of personal data go back to actual harms caused by such databases when they were still paper-based and the first transistors had not even been demonstrated.
- noirscape 3y ago
  They're also on the way out because Google is moving to turn Chrome into a massive tracking black box on it's own. There's no need to use cookie-based fingerprinting if you control ~97% of the browser market and you can just install the tracking tools directly in the software used and keep them active with maliciously crafted (dark pattern) popups.
Deukhoofd 3y ago
Yeah the ePrivacy Regulation, which would overhaul cookie consent, was supposed to pass alongside the GDPR. I don't think any real progress has been made on it for years. The last update on the text itself was in 2021. https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eprivacy-regulation https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eprivacy-r...
- ktosobcy 3y ago
  This sounds awesome! Comission is again a step ahead ;) > Simpler rules on cookies: the cookie provision, which has resulted in an overload of consent requests for internet users, will be streamlined. The new rule will be more user-friendly as browser settings will provide an easy way to accept or refuse tracking cookies and other identifiers. The proposal also clarifies that no consent is needed for non-privacy intrusive cookies that improve internet experience, such as cookies to remember shopping-cart history or to count the number of website visitors. basically what I mentioned before
lioeters 3y ago
Website: "We and our 281 partners value your privacy.. Click to accept and continue, or click here to waste your time with this massive list of checkboxes." Me: Close tab.
- robin_reala 3y ago
  281? Peanuts, try 1,609: https://www.allrecipes.com/ https://www.allrecipes.com/
- trompetenaccoun 3y ago
  The supporters don't seem to understand how much of their lifetime gets wasted with clicking through those popups. This should be a once for all setting in the browser that the websites can access.
  - _v7gu 3y ago
    It’s called uBlock
stahtops 3y ago
NO MORE POP UPS
Vinnl 3y ago
Non-Twitter link: https://social.network.europa.eu/@EU_Commission/112155867623694063 https://social.network.europa.eu/@EU_Commission/112155867623...

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whywhywhywhy 3y ago

> cookie consent pop-up The second you call it a pop-up it's just more hell, should just be a browser setting that has to be abided by. No popup, no constantly asking me for consent. I should consent once, ONCE!

bootsmann 3y ago
The biggest browser manufacturer is not interested in making it easy to opt out of tracking cookies for some reason, wonder why that is…
- ktosobcy 3y ago
  And because of that it should be _forced_ to do so...
- atomicUpdate 3y ago
  They're literally working on a feature to disable third party coookies by default: https://blog.google/products/chrome/privacy-sandbox-tracking-protection/ https://blog.google/products/chrome/privacy-sandbox-tracking... How does that fit in with your conspiracy theorizing?
  - bootsmann 3y ago
    Tracking cookies != Third party cookies
sofixa 3y ago
A browser setting would be binary - yes or no. A per site consent dialog, with per "partner" option, with easy to use "Decline all" / "Allow all" buttons, is much more granular. Maybe you're OK with a random community website "tracking" you because you know it makes them more money from ads; but you're not OK with Meta tracking you across the whole web.
- flanked-evergl 3y ago
  > A browser setting would be binary - yes or no. Many other browser settings are specific per site. This can also be.
- ktosobcy 3y ago
  Other settings are per site and this one can be as well - you can select "reject all", "accept all" (or "reject non-essential") and be done with that... or use "ask each time" like with mic/camera and there would be small, tiny, browser-ui pop-up in usual place...
tbrownaw 3y ago
> should just be a browser setting that has to be abided by It should be a browser setting that is enforced by the browser. If I open something in private mode, or use the multi-account containers extension (Firefox), cookies are isolated or forgotten without any involvement from the remote party. The site doesn't need to know or care.

oaiey 3y ago

a precedence in pay-or-consent would uproot a lot of news business. Overdue because this is illegal since GDPR but this is a tough cookie (oh the wordplay) for many organizations.

boxed 3y ago

I guess they don't feel comfortable mandating how open source software is written? Safari could be mandated to do something like this and honestly I think Apple would be very happy to do it, but it's a bit weirder with Firefox...

ktosobcy 3y ago
I'd say that Firefox would be even on board with the idea (weird they haven't proposed it themselves). Besides - EU could create a law saying: "website should obey browser setting and if such setting is not present allow user to consent to tracking"
- boxed 3y ago
  That's a good start for sure. And when Safari and Firefox implement it instantly, and if Chromium rejects a PR for it, then can make it a law.

vmfunction 3y ago

Cookies in 2024 is kinda irrelevant, more important is to prevent fingerprinting of veriest kind (CSS, fonts, GPU, screen size etc).

ben_w 3y ago
The actual law is about any kind of personal data, including but not limited to fingerprinting web/app users, which can be associated with a real human. European fear of harms caused by malicious use of databases of personal data go back to actual harms caused by such databases when they were still paper-based and the first transistors had not even been demonstrated.
noirscape 3y ago
They're also on the way out because Google is moving to turn Chrome into a massive tracking black box on it's own. There's no need to use cookie-based fingerprinting if you control ~97% of the browser market and you can just install the tracking tools directly in the software used and keep them active with maliciously crafted (dark pattern) popups.

Deukhoofd 3y ago

Yeah the ePrivacy Regulation, which would overhaul cookie consent, was supposed to pass alongside the GDPR. I don't think any real progress has been made on it for years. The last update on the text itself was in 2021. https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eprivacy-regulation https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eprivacy-r...

ktosobcy 3y ago
This sounds awesome! Comission is again a step ahead ;) > Simpler rules on cookies: the cookie provision, which has resulted in an overload of consent requests for internet users, will be streamlined. The new rule will be more user-friendly as browser settings will provide an easy way to accept or refuse tracking cookies and other identifiers. The proposal also clarifies that no consent is needed for non-privacy intrusive cookies that improve internet experience, such as cookies to remember shopping-cart history or to count the number of website visitors. basically what I mentioned before

lioeters 3y ago

Website: "We and our 281 partners value your privacy.. Click to accept and continue, or click here to waste your time with this massive list of checkboxes." Me: Close tab.

robin_reala 3y ago
281? Peanuts, try 1,609: https://www.allrecipes.com/ https://www.allrecipes.com/
trompetenaccoun 3y ago
The supporters don't seem to understand how much of their lifetime gets wasted with clicking through those popups. This should be a once for all setting in the browser that the websites can access.
- _v7gu 3y ago
  It’s called uBlock

stahtops 3y ago

NO MORE POP UPS

Vinnl 3y ago

Non-Twitter link: https://social.network.europa.eu/@EU_Commission/112155867623694063 https://social.network.europa.eu/@EU_Commission/112155867623...