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Python (and Ruby) handling of versions and dependencies is truly awful... :-(

• bvrmn 3y ago
  It's inevitable for non-dead interpreted languages.
• lioeters 3y ago
  I've only used Python occasionally, and more than half of that time I ran into issues with the installed Python version or dependencies. Not only version 2 vs 3, but for example a certain project required exactly 3.11, not 3.10 or 3.12. Last time, I tried to install Caddy and broke all previously installed packages/commands - and after searching for a solution and trying different things, the best I could come up with was to switch versions (manually) before and after running a command to restore the environment. Now I understand I should have been using Pyenv the whole time. But it sure felt unfriendly for a newcomer to the language/ecosystem. Granted my learning approach is to jump in without much preparation, I wish the language designers or the ecosystem provided a better experience when things don't work right.
• yxhuvud 3y ago
  How is it awful on the Ruby side? In my experience it is a solved problem since bundler was invented 15 years ago. It's been very free from pain during the last 10 years or so.
  • ktosobcy 3y ago
    AFAIR it was mostly because Ruby still wanted to use not-100%-fixed versions so there was still an issue with something updating slightly breaking the build. Just a cursory experience when trying to deal with Ruby. Though it _felt_ somewhat more stable than Python.
• jscheel 3y ago
  In my experience, python has been far, far worse than ruby. Now, to be fair, I’m much more comfortable in the ruby ecosystem, but still, everything feels much more brittle in python package management.
• joshuamcginnis 3y ago
  What's wrong with rvm?
• graywh 3y ago
  can I interest you in R?