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Omg scoop looks awesome, how have I not heard of it before?

madspindel 3y ago
Have you heard about WinGet? It's the official package manager for Windows: https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli
- Brian_K_White 3y ago
  I've heard that they stole it. , so I approve of avoiding it.
- daghamm 3y ago
  I'm surprised this is not used more. How good is the community repo?
- jessekv 3y ago
  I tried WinGet out when it came out, but ended up sticking with scoop. What would you say are the advantages of WinGet over scoop?
  - c-hendricks 3y ago
    Copying from a comment I made on Ars: Where scoop differs, which might be good or bad depending on your point of view, is that it installs software to its own location, and self-updating apps don't self update. So, tutorials and programs have to take Scoop into account[1] since they won't be installed to their usual locations (bonus: scoop itself can be installed to your users home directory, or to C:\ProgramData\scoop). Another wart is that maintainers of scoop recommend using scoop + winget[2]. I think it's neat, but personally, I just use winget to install things, and a variety of portable apps on a secondary drive (in fact, winget supports installing one-off programs to random locations). Another nice thing about winget is being able to update and manage software that wasn't installed with it too. [1]: https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/123205#issuecomment-834670454 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/123205#issuecomme... [2]: https://github.com/ScoopInstaller/Scoop/issues/3691#issuecomment-1276399022 https://github.com/ScoopInstaller/Scoop/issues/3691#issuecom...
  - WorldMaker 3y ago
    The biggest advantage of WinGet is that it is installed out of the box with Windows 11, recent versions of Windows 10, and auto-installed into Windows 10 by update processes deeply back down (I think all the way back to the original Anniversary Edition). A smaller advantage is WinGet's default installed sources use Microsoft CDNs for package metadata which are often whitelisted in firewalls or at least gentler in their MITM attacks, and WinGet's primary source (the "winget" source) uses canonical installer URLs rather than repackaging (pulls the same EXE/MSI installer that you would if you went to a download page manually). That combination of well known URL patterns generally means WinGet has a kinder experience with corporate firewalls and corporate anti-virus tools than scoop can provide.
- izacus 3y ago
  scoop is a significantly better tool and can actually manage the things it installs.
skrebbel 3y ago
Just want to weigh in and say that scoop is fantastic. The genius insight behind Scoop is that Windows doesn't need a dependency manager because pretty much all programs ship with their dependencies included. So all you need is a way to download & run installers automatically, from the command line, into a Scoop-controlled directory.
- arinfaraj 3y ago
  i have seen dependencies being installed when using scoop for example an app might need ffmpeg in the system
Alifatisk 3y ago
You should checkout chocolatey

Have you heard about WinGet? It's the official package manager for Windows: https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli

Brian_K_White 3y ago
I've heard that they stole it. , so I approve of avoiding it.
daghamm 3y ago
I'm surprised this is not used more. How good is the community repo?
jessekv 3y ago
I tried WinGet out when it came out, but ended up sticking with scoop. What would you say are the advantages of WinGet over scoop?
- c-hendricks 3y ago
  Copying from a comment I made on Ars: Where scoop differs, which might be good or bad depending on your point of view, is that it installs software to its own location, and self-updating apps don't self update. So, tutorials and programs have to take Scoop into account[1] since they won't be installed to their usual locations (bonus: scoop itself can be installed to your users home directory, or to C:\ProgramData\scoop). Another wart is that maintainers of scoop recommend using scoop + winget[2]. I think it's neat, but personally, I just use winget to install things, and a variety of portable apps on a secondary drive (in fact, winget supports installing one-off programs to random locations). Another nice thing about winget is being able to update and manage software that wasn't installed with it too. [1]: https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/123205#issuecomment-834670454 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/123205#issuecomme... [2]: https://github.com/ScoopInstaller/Scoop/issues/3691#issuecomment-1276399022 https://github.com/ScoopInstaller/Scoop/issues/3691#issuecom...
- WorldMaker 3y ago
  The biggest advantage of WinGet is that it is installed out of the box with Windows 11, recent versions of Windows 10, and auto-installed into Windows 10 by update processes deeply back down (I think all the way back to the original Anniversary Edition). A smaller advantage is WinGet's default installed sources use Microsoft CDNs for package metadata which are often whitelisted in firewalls or at least gentler in their MITM attacks, and WinGet's primary source (the "winget" source) uses canonical installer URLs rather than repackaging (pulls the same EXE/MSI installer that you would if you went to a download page manually). That combination of well known URL patterns generally means WinGet has a kinder experience with corporate firewalls and corporate anti-virus tools than scoop can provide.
izacus 3y ago
scoop is a significantly better tool and can actually manage the things it installs.

skrebbel 3y ago

Just want to weigh in and say that scoop is fantastic. The genius insight behind Scoop is that Windows doesn't need a dependency manager because pretty much all programs ship with their dependencies included. So all you need is a way to download & run installers automatically, from the command line, into a Scoop-controlled directory.

arinfaraj 3y ago
i have seen dependencies being installed when using scoop for example an app might need ffmpeg in the system

Alifatisk 3y ago

You should checkout chocolatey