I re-listened to this and I think all of this episode is worth the time investment if you have not heard it. The first act is with director Lulu Wang and the re

I re-listened to this and I think all of this episode is worth the time investment if you have not heard it. The first act is with director Lulu Wang and the real life inspiration for her movie The Farewell and the second part is an interview with Dunning behind the infamous Dunning-Kruger effect.