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Coming from a stand-up striking Muay Thai perspective the only low risk way to grab a leg is intercepting a kick. You are then out of range of their upper body

Coming from a stand-up striking Muay Thai perspective the only low risk way to grab a leg is intercepting a kick. You are then out of range of their upper body attacks and have total leverage physically and tactically. At that point unless the fighter whose leg is grabbed is extremely experienced in keeping a one foot balance by avoiding sweeps (ignoring the fact that one can bring the fight to the ground in MMA or BJJ etc - which imo is not preferable in a street fight) they're in a supremely disadvantaged position and at the will of the grabber. In a tournament, though, these situations usually resolve very quickly one way way or the other.

FrustratedMonky 3y ago
With your background. Can you extrapolate on how a tail would impact you? Would it be a big negative to have something that can be grabbed. Also. Chimps/Primates. Don't they fight more in packs. So if the competition was 5 on 1, would the tail become an even greater disadvantage. It would be even harder to maneuver or run, become someone could grab the tail.
- datameta 3y ago
  I have two separate thoughts on the matter. One is whether a tail would provide me with additional balance and/or striking power. Potentially as a counterweight during round housed kicks or spinning back kicks. The second is that a tail by itself would be an inferior weapon to punches, elbows, knees, and kicks due to its relative fragility and potentially high nerve density. So this leads to a utilitarian equation - is the additional counterbalance going to provide a sufficient edge to override the risk it adds of a relatively weak limb that can be grabbed?
- fragmede 3y ago
  As long as we're inventing limbs, why not put spikes at the end of the tail, like a stegosaurus' thagomizer. I bet that would be pretty fun to fight with.
lazide 3y ago
Having done muay thai for several years - this is why muay thai doesn’t do well in less regulated environments, like MMA or actual street fights. Because muay thai has a very structured set of rules and an environment which constrains it so that is the case. much less so than western boxing obviously, but the issue is even more obvious there. generally still way better than no training of course. BJJ folks consistently beat Muay Thai competitors in MMA for this reason. being able to do both, plus some krav maga strikes? even better! though most krav maga if done with full earnestness would get you thrown in jail outside of a legit self defense scenario.
- datameta 3y ago
  I agree with the octagon scenario, but not with a streetfight. If you're outnumbered, it is not advisable to go to ground. That is when rapid high damage strikes and the ability to dodge, block, or soak hits make you not just a physical weapon but psychological. By the way, in full traditional muay thai, both quick and prolonged stand-up grappling is trained for.
  - lazide 3y ago
    I never said it was a good idea to go to ground in a street fight - but if you end up there (very possible!), Muay Thai isn’t going to help you technique wise. Conditioning would of course. BJJ is as often about transitioning to and from, and controlling on the ground fighting - so having both would be pretty solid ‘academically’ probably. It’s not like if you get jumped in a dark alley by someone they’ll just back off and let you get up if you fall down. Unless they were really stupid anyway. Same with broken bottles, random street junk used as weapons, knives, multiple opponents, etc. Which neither are going to teach you much about practically in real life, but better than nothing. I think I forgot to mention how the best way to win a fight is to not get in one? Haha.

FrustratedMonky 3y ago

With your background. Can you extrapolate on how a tail would impact you? Would it be a big negative to have something that can be grabbed. Also. Chimps/Primates. Don't they fight more in packs. So if the competition was 5 on 1, would the tail become an even greater disadvantage. It would be even harder to maneuver or run, become someone could grab the tail.

datameta 3y ago
I have two separate thoughts on the matter. One is whether a tail would provide me with additional balance and/or striking power. Potentially as a counterweight during round housed kicks or spinning back kicks. The second is that a tail by itself would be an inferior weapon to punches, elbows, knees, and kicks due to its relative fragility and potentially high nerve density. So this leads to a utilitarian equation - is the additional counterbalance going to provide a sufficient edge to override the risk it adds of a relatively weak limb that can be grabbed?
fragmede 3y ago
As long as we're inventing limbs, why not put spikes at the end of the tail, like a stegosaurus' thagomizer. I bet that would be pretty fun to fight with.

lazide 3y ago

Having done muay thai for several years - this is why muay thai doesn’t do well in less regulated environments, like MMA or actual street fights. Because muay thai has a very structured set of rules and an environment which constrains it so that is the case. much less so than western boxing obviously, but the issue is even more obvious there. generally still way better than no training of course. BJJ folks consistently beat Muay Thai competitors in MMA for this reason. being able to do both, plus some krav maga strikes? even better! though most krav maga if done with full earnestness would get you thrown in jail outside of a legit self defense scenario.

datameta 3y ago
I agree with the octagon scenario, but not with a streetfight. If you're outnumbered, it is not advisable to go to ground. That is when rapid high damage strikes and the ability to dodge, block, or soak hits make you not just a physical weapon but psychological. By the way, in full traditional muay thai, both quick and prolonged stand-up grappling is trained for.
- lazide 3y ago
  I never said it was a good idea to go to ground in a street fight - but if you end up there (very possible!), Muay Thai isn’t going to help you technique wise. Conditioning would of course. BJJ is as often about transitioning to and from, and controlling on the ground fighting - so having both would be pretty solid ‘academically’ probably. It’s not like if you get jumped in a dark alley by someone they’ll just back off and let you get up if you fall down. Unless they were really stupid anyway. Same with broken bottles, random street junk used as weapons, knives, multiple opponents, etc. Which neither are going to teach you much about practically in real life, but better than nothing. I think I forgot to mention how the best way to win a fight is to not get in one? Haha.