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Although when striking is involved, leg locks loose much of their effectiveness.

lazide 3y ago
It's always a race to get the critical hit or lock in. But unless the 'grabee' doesn't do anything, someone grabbing one foot from someone is likely using both hands (and most of their upper body) to attempt to control it - and there is a second foot/leg out there free to cause a lot of damage if they're willing. It's not a 'one and done'/'game over' scenario by any stretch of the imagination if the party is even a little motivated. Though I suspect most folks in this thread have no exposure to an actual fight beyond watching a video somewhere, so....
- LorenzoGood 3y ago
  For me the main example of leg locks failing in MMA is Ilia Toporia's knockout of Ryan Hall in the UFC. Also, many powerful leg locks entries fail to succeed in MMA, due to overcommitment of limbs.
  - lazide 3y ago
    There are also a large number of banned moves in MMA. Nothing is perfect. Grabbing someones foot/leg isn't a one and done deal, either way, because we do actually have two and they're pretty powerful.
- datameta 3y ago
  Coming from a stand-up striking Muay Thai perspective the only low risk way to grab a leg is intercepting a kick. You are then out of range of their upper body attacks and have total leverage physically and tactically. At that point unless the fighter whose leg is grabbed is extremely experienced in keeping a one foot balance by avoiding sweeps (ignoring the fact that one can bring the fight to the ground in MMA or BJJ etc - which imo is not preferable in a street fight) they're in a supremely disadvantaged position and at the will of the grabber. In a tournament, though, these situations usually resolve very quickly one way way or the other.
  - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
    With your background. Can you extrapolate on how a tail would impact you? Would it be a big negative to have something that can be grabbed. Also. Chimps/Primates. Don't they fight more in packs. So if the competition was 5 on 1, would the tail become an even greater disadvantage. It would be even harder to maneuver or run, become someone could grab the tail.
    - datameta 3y ago
      I have two separate thoughts on the matter. One is whether a tail would provide me with additional balance and/or striking power. Potentially as a counterweight during round housed kicks or spinning back kicks. The second is that a tail by itself would be an inferior weapon to punches, elbows, knees, and kicks due to its relative fragility and potentially high nerve density. So this leads to a utilitarian equation - is the additional counterbalance going to provide a sufficient edge to override the risk it adds of a relatively weak limb that can be grabbed?
    - fragmede 3y ago
      As long as we're inventing limbs, why not put spikes at the end of the tail, like a stegosaurus' thagomizer. I bet that would be pretty fun to fight with.
  - lazide 3y ago
    Having done muay thai for several years - this is why muay thai doesn’t do well in less regulated environments, like MMA or actual street fights. Because muay thai has a very structured set of rules and an environment which constrains it so that is the case. much less so than western boxing obviously, but the issue is even more obvious there. generally still way better than no training of course. BJJ folks consistently beat Muay Thai competitors in MMA for this reason. being able to do both, plus some krav maga strikes? even better! though most krav maga if done with full earnestness would get you thrown in jail outside of a legit self defense scenario.
    - datameta 3y ago

It's always a race to get the critical hit or lock in. But unless the 'grabee' doesn't do anything, someone grabbing one foot from someone is likely using both hands (and most of their upper body) to attempt to control it - and there is a second foot/leg out there free to cause a lot of damage if they're willing. It's not a 'one and done'/'game over' scenario by any stretch of the imagination if the party is even a little motivated. Though I suspect most folks in this thread have no exposure to an actual fight beyond watching a video somewhere, so....

LorenzoGood 3y ago
For me the main example of leg locks failing in MMA is Ilia Toporia's knockout of Ryan Hall in the UFC. Also, many powerful leg locks entries fail to succeed in MMA, due to overcommitment of limbs.
- lazide 3y ago
  There are also a large number of banned moves in MMA. Nothing is perfect. Grabbing someones foot/leg isn't a one and done deal, either way, because we do actually have two and they're pretty powerful.
datameta 3y ago
Coming from a stand-up striking Muay Thai perspective the only low risk way to grab a leg is intercepting a kick. You are then out of range of their upper body attacks and have total leverage physically and tactically. At that point unless the fighter whose leg is grabbed is extremely experienced in keeping a one foot balance by avoiding sweeps (ignoring the fact that one can bring the fight to the ground in MMA or BJJ etc - which imo is not preferable in a street fight) they're in a supremely disadvantaged position and at the will of the grabber. In a tournament, though, these situations usually resolve very quickly one way way or the other.
- FrustratedMonky 3y ago
  With your background. Can you extrapolate on how a tail would impact you? Would it be a big negative to have something that can be grabbed. Also. Chimps/Primates. Don't they fight more in packs. So if the competition was 5 on 1, would the tail become an even greater disadvantage. It would be even harder to maneuver or run, become someone could grab the tail.
  - datameta 3y ago
    I have two separate thoughts on the matter. One is whether a tail would provide me with additional balance and/or striking power. Potentially as a counterweight during round housed kicks or spinning back kicks. The second is that a tail by itself would be an inferior weapon to punches, elbows, knees, and kicks due to its relative fragility and potentially high nerve density. So this leads to a utilitarian equation - is the additional counterbalance going to provide a sufficient edge to override the risk it adds of a relatively weak limb that can be grabbed?
  - fragmede 3y ago
    As long as we're inventing limbs, why not put spikes at the end of the tail, like a stegosaurus' thagomizer. I bet that would be pretty fun to fight with.
- lazide 3y ago
  Having done muay thai for several years - this is why muay thai doesn’t do well in less regulated environments, like MMA or actual street fights. Because muay thai has a very structured set of rules and an environment which constrains it so that is the case. much less so than western boxing obviously, but the issue is even more obvious there. generally still way better than no training of course. BJJ folks consistently beat Muay Thai competitors in MMA for this reason. being able to do both, plus some krav maga strikes? even better! though most krav maga if done with full earnestness would get you thrown in jail outside of a legit self defense scenario.
  - datameta 3y ago