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Here's a suggestion for Europe. Keep your promises. Since the Berlin wall fell the west promised to not move their positions beyond it. They did so anyway and w

Here's a suggestion for Europe. Keep your promises. Since the Berlin wall fell the west promised to not move their positions beyond it. They did so anyway and went all the way to the point of inviting Ukraine to join. Fast forward to Minsk accords the Germans and French admitted they were never going to abide by those terms. So the Russians have nobody in Europe that they can even deal with, since they never keep their promises. Hollande and Merkel both admitted this publicly. My suggestiom would be to demilitarize NATO and create a new security architecture that states if you come one step westbound we will nuke you (Russians). That will be enough to appease both sides and you'll save boatloads of money from being pilfered by the west's military industrial complex. I hate that the Ukrainians have been used as pawns in a western gambit when they could have had literally the best of both worlds. Low energy prices from the east and European culture and influences from the west. But now because of the petulant children in power in Europe they can't have any semblance of a society anymore.

fabian2k 3y ago
Russia invaded a sovereign country. They are the aggressors here, period. NATO didn't cause this war, Russia alone did that.
- irfwashere 3y ago
  Clearly you are ignoring the history of the conflict and the desires of the Russians, and thereby the entire reason for the invasion. It was explained clearly many times prior to the invasion that they would go ahead and do so if you ignore their security concerns. Remember when they put missiles in Cuba? We can't ignore their security concerns and pretend facts exist in a vacuum.
  - fabian2k 3y ago
    You are justifying an illegal war of aggression here. Claiming some nebulous security concerns does not justify invading a sovereign nation. Ukraine did express their desire to join NATO, that is their right as a sovereign nation. Russia does not have a right to control what their neighbours do. Your argument is denying Ukrainian Sovereignty. Nuclear weapons are a special case, which is why we have treaties today that limit certain types of them. Cuba is not a comparable case here at all.
  - irfwashere 3y ago
    Pretty sure their security concerns aren't nebulous. They only lost 27 million people. Not a big deal to you, maybe. But they will never forget and allow that to happen again. So yes, they are entitled to protecting themselves from that happening again. If you want to pretend this is solely about abusing Ukrainian sovereignty then that's fine. The west was happy to abuse Ukrainian sovereignty in 2014 when their intelligence agencies helped overthrow their democratically elected government. So really your logic is just a ruse. The facts speak for themselves.
  - LargoLasskhyfv 3y ago
    Ahem! Remember "The Cuban Missile Crisis, also known as the October Crisis (Spanish: Crisis de Octubre) in Cuba, or the Caribbean Crisis (Russian: Карибский кризис, romanized: Karibskiy krizis), was a 13-day confrontation between the governments of the United States and the Soviet Union, when American deployments of nuclear missiles in Italy and Turkey were matched by Soviet deployments of nuclear missiles in Cuba." ? Source: Amongst countless others https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis

fabian2k 3y ago

Russia invaded a sovereign country. They are the aggressors here, period. NATO didn't cause this war, Russia alone did that.

irfwashere 3y ago
Clearly you are ignoring the history of the conflict and the desires of the Russians, and thereby the entire reason for the invasion. It was explained clearly many times prior to the invasion that they would go ahead and do so if you ignore their security concerns. Remember when they put missiles in Cuba? We can't ignore their security concerns and pretend facts exist in a vacuum.
- fabian2k 3y ago
  You are justifying an illegal war of aggression here. Claiming some nebulous security concerns does not justify invading a sovereign nation. Ukraine did express their desire to join NATO, that is their right as a sovereign nation. Russia does not have a right to control what their neighbours do. Your argument is denying Ukrainian Sovereignty. Nuclear weapons are a special case, which is why we have treaties today that limit certain types of them. Cuba is not a comparable case here at all.
- irfwashere 3y ago
  Pretty sure their security concerns aren't nebulous. They only lost 27 million people. Not a big deal to you, maybe. But they will never forget and allow that to happen again. So yes, they are entitled to protecting themselves from that happening again. If you want to pretend this is solely about abusing Ukrainian sovereignty then that's fine. The west was happy to abuse Ukrainian sovereignty in 2014 when their intelligence agencies helped overthrow their democratically elected government. So really your logic is just a ruse. The facts speak for themselves.
- LargoLasskhyfv 3y ago
  Ahem! Remember "The Cuban Missile Crisis, also known as the October Crisis (Spanish: Crisis de Octubre) in Cuba, or the Caribbean Crisis (Russian: Карибский кризис, romanized: Karibskiy krizis), was a 13-day confrontation between the governments of the United States and the Soviet Union, when American deployments of nuclear missiles in Italy and Turkey were matched by Soviet deployments of nuclear missiles in Cuba." ? Source: Amongst countless others https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis