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I'm trying to make sense of what this is. I don't get what the unique selling point is. I understand that this is about server hosting. And from context I gathe
by vaylian 3y ago
I'm trying to make sense of what this is. I don't get what the unique selling point is. I understand that this is about server hosting. And from context I gather that this is about Rust. It seems that special/custom hardware is involved. And they advocate for buying instead of renting servers. But I can't figure out more than that.
Who should be interested in this product? Does it make sense to compare this to AWS, Google Cloud or Azure?
- qaq 3y agoCompanies that run large on-prem workloads and want to have similar hardware/software to what the likes of Google, FB etc. have in their data centers
- vaylian 3y agoDoes that mean that Oxide sells computers that are optimized for on-premise cloud deployments?
- nilsherzig 3y agoI think they sell something like mini and on prem gcp / aws. You just connect the thing to power and ethernet and now you got your own locally running Webinterface / API which can start VMs, networks etc
- NetOpWibby 3y agoOh neat, I can have my own DigitalOcean with one of these?!
- panick21_ 3y agoNot quite. They don't offer out of the box managed services like DigitalOcean. No one-click MongoDB or stuff like that. No out of the box Kubernetes. You basically get Networking, Compute and Storage. Everything else you have to build on top. You will also get stuff like Terraform provider, SDKs and so on. > I can I guess if you are millionaire you could.
- NetOpWibby 3y agoAh okay, so you get the foundation. Still, pretty cool.
- steveklabnik 3y agoThis is correct, yes.
- dragonwriter 3y agoThat’s exactly what this is advertising, yes.
- vaylian 3y agoThanks. But as someone who isn't familiar with Oxide, this was not clear to me at all. The "Just Cloud" threw me off and I was reminded of shuttle.rs which also advertises easy deployment of (Rust) services. I could not see that this was supposed to be about on-premise hardware.
- dns_snek 3y agoIt seems like they're vertically integrating everything from hardware to the hypervisor/orchestration layer (something that serves the same function as Kubernetes?) along with their own developer tooling for deploying and managing workloads. edit: And it seems like it's aimed at companies that don't want to pay cloud margins, but don't (yet) have the expertise to set up a production-worthy Kubernetes (or similar) cluster from scratch. An opinionated appliance vs DIY approach.
- Havoc 3y agoThe idea of a company buying an out of the box k8s because they’re not able to set it up themselves sounds insane to me. What’s the plan when it breaks? Send the server back?
- dns_snek 3y agoI imagine the expectation is that the company obviously needs to know how to perform regular hardware maintenance, but the hypervisor/orchestration layer should be so well integrated that it doesn't require an expert team to operate (like you would need with a self-hosted Kubernetes cluster, which is notoriously difficult to understand and operate in production). If that illusion breaks and you need to get into the weeds in the same way you do with self-hosted k8s, then the value proposition of their product goes poof. I'm just speculating, of course.
- Havoc 3y ago> self-hosted Kubernetes cluster, which is notoriously difficult to understand and operate in production). Yeah that was my reference point - cluster at home. Breaks often & hard and usually end up wiping it. Good for home use but I’d not want to rely on it for prod
- sgarland 3y agoWhat distribution are you using? I’ve been running k3os (with etcd) for about two years without issues, other than Rancher Labs dropping support for it so it’s well past EoL.
- vasco 3y agoIt's like Openstack-in-a-box except with a promise that it'll behave more like AWS than Openstack. And you buy hardware.
- bananapub 3y agoI don't understand why this exact comment is posted on every thread about them - it's not very complicated. "Cloud computing" style systems are nice in some ways - you can just ask a computer to give you some virtual computers and virtual storage and it gives it to you. Whoever owns them can put quotas or pricing or whatever on you, but you can self-serve, and you don't have to care about replacing DIMMs or NVMe sticks or whatever. Having some random American megacorp host things in a datacenter is good for some people, bad for others. You might not want to be in their legal jurisdiction, or you're legally not allowed to, or you just don't want to, or their prices for your volume are too high, or you don't want to be locked in to whatever future bad choices they make. So, Oxide made racks of machines you can buy, plug in, and then have a cloud-style (virtual machine, virtual storage, virtual network) system at home. I really really don't understand what is hard to understand.
- rcarmo 3y agoAlso, they provide end-to-end attestation on the entire software stack up to each workload. They can tell you exactly what firmware is running on each chip on their stack, etc. The hypervisor they use is pretty cool, too.
- kotaKat 3y ago> I really really don't understand what is hard to understand. I mean, not every single person on HN is a 10x developer that knows 300 programming languages known to man and 45 more known only to catgirls. I'm a daytime Windows admin, this isn't stuff I normally work with, especially because it's targeted at a specific stack of things that I don't touch. I really really don't understand what is hard to understand.
- fulafel 3y agoCloud is a nebulous term (intended), it can mean many things (SaaS? IaaS? PaaS?) and of course your own cloud is a self-contradictory term to boot so leaves you wondering what parts will be different and how. It might not be complicated but it's not easy to communicate if you start with that word.
- manoDev 3y agoIt seems this is mainframe (a complete, supported, vertically integrated solution), just not from IBM.
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