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> in question is obviously not CSAM as you can see in the Bluesky thread Wouldn't go as far as "obviously". I mean, I get it's not meant to be, but I hope you'

> in question is obviously not CSAM as you can see in the Bluesky thread Wouldn't go as far as "obviously". I mean, I get it's not meant to be, but I hope you're able to see it's... playing with the threshold?

l1n 3y ago
Source appears to be this artist's OCs, probably there's some canonical age you can point them at? https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/1352764/artworks/%E5%89%B5%E4%BD%9C%E7%99%BE%E5%90%88 https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/1352764/artworks/%E5%89%B5%E4...
- viraptor 3y ago
  I don't know what you're trying to say about canonical age.
  - pests 3y ago
    The age in the source material. They can be drawn to look like anything but if you say they're 18 it's fine. /s
  - l1n 3y ago
    Not trying to say anything, this is just a drive-by TinEye and I don't read Japanese.
- sergers 3y ago
  Without context, I would say innocent picture, older aged. But after reviewing your link, I would say even more questionable. Mid teens?
DoItToMe81 3y ago
It's clearly not. And it's not Cloudflare's job to be playing morality police when the content is legal in its state of operation, and legal in the state of the owner. I will not be using Cloudflare in the future. Loli porn is disgusting and the people who view it are unequivocally pedophiles, but this is not that. It's weird, but it shouldn't be in the realm of such a takedown.
- londons_explore 3y ago
  > not Cloudflare's job to be playing morality police It is almost certainly cloudflares policy that they will not make judgements like this. They will just take down any content if someone complains about it. Think about it - if they paid an employee to look at the content to decide legal/not legal, they would be exposing that employee to CSAM. That's illegal and they'd get sued for it. Which is why they probably have no human involvement in the decision-making, and lots of legal things are taken down as a result.
  - viraptor 3y ago
    That's very much not how it works. People are paid to check and it comes with issues. See Facebook moderation consultants case https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/12/21255870/facebook-content-moderator-settlement-scola-ptsd-mental-health https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/12/21255870/facebook-content...
snattlerake 3y ago
This is an EXTREMELY weird line to take this discussion in, considering we're talking about the same company who's response to a number of people asking them to drop KiwiFarms as a customer was 3 several-paragraph-long blog posts, endless hand-wringing and promises to donate all revenue from KF to charity. Meanwhile a cartoon illustration of two girls kissing is posted on a Fediverse instance with less than a hundred users, dedicated as a safe space for trans women, and it's immediately Threatening E-Mail O'clock. Their "out" is that they got complaints, which is honestly even more hilarious, because are we going to pretend they got more complaints about a teeny-tiny Sharkey instance than Kiwi fucking Farms?

l1n 3y ago

Source appears to be this artist's OCs, probably there's some canonical age you can point them at? https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/1352764/artworks/%E5%89%B5%E4%BD%9C%E7%99%BE%E5%90%88 https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/1352764/artworks/%E5%89%B5%E4...

viraptor 3y ago
I don't know what you're trying to say about canonical age.
- pests 3y ago
  The age in the source material. They can be drawn to look like anything but if you say they're 18 it's fine. /s
- l1n 3y ago
  Not trying to say anything, this is just a drive-by TinEye and I don't read Japanese.
sergers 3y ago
Without context, I would say innocent picture, older aged. But after reviewing your link, I would say even more questionable. Mid teens?

DoItToMe81 3y ago

It's clearly not. And it's not Cloudflare's job to be playing morality police when the content is legal in its state of operation, and legal in the state of the owner. I will not be using Cloudflare in the future. Loli porn is disgusting and the people who view it are unequivocally pedophiles, but this is not that. It's weird, but it shouldn't be in the realm of such a takedown.

londons_explore 3y ago
> not Cloudflare's job to be playing morality police It is almost certainly cloudflares policy that they will not make judgements like this. They will just take down any content if someone complains about it. Think about it - if they paid an employee to look at the content to decide legal/not legal, they would be exposing that employee to CSAM. That's illegal and they'd get sued for it. Which is why they probably have no human involvement in the decision-making, and lots of legal things are taken down as a result.
- viraptor 3y ago
  That's very much not how it works. People are paid to check and it comes with issues. See Facebook moderation consultants case https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/12/21255870/facebook-content-moderator-settlement-scola-ptsd-mental-health https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/12/21255870/facebook-content...

snattlerake 3y ago

This is an EXTREMELY weird line to take this discussion in, considering we're talking about the same company who's response to a number of people asking them to drop KiwiFarms as a customer was 3 several-paragraph-long blog posts, endless hand-wringing and promises to donate all revenue from KF to charity. Meanwhile a cartoon illustration of two girls kissing is posted on a Fediverse instance with less than a hundred users, dedicated as a safe space for trans women, and it's immediately Threatening E-Mail O'clock. Their "out" is that they got complaints, which is honestly even more hilarious, because are we going to pretend they got more complaints about a teeny-tiny Sharkey instance than Kiwi fucking Farms?