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DEI? What's wrong with a Diverse, Equitable, Inclusive world? Of the podcast, not a fan. Nor of the book. But DEI, that's Startrek TOS/TNG bread and butter. W

DEI? What's wrong with a Diverse, Equitable, Inclusive world? Of the podcast, not a fan. Nor of the book. But DEI, that's Startrek TOS/TNG bread and butter. What's the problem?

smitty1e 3y ago
> What's wrong with a Diverse, Equitable, Inclusive world? Ingestion of folly is not wisdom. The litmus test of ideas is the fruit they bear, and the verdict on DEI isn't stellar thus far.
- btreecat 3y ago
  Examples such as?
  - smitty1e 3y ago
    https://youtu.be/jKHi__DaplU?si=aD9pqnLMakr49jZ4 https://youtu.be/jKHi__DaplU?si=aD9pqnLMakr49jZ4
    - cmdpint 3y ago
      I'm not sure a work of fiction is the best example.
      - smitty1e 3y ago
        Bud Light, then. It's all the same cultural context. But quibble on, by all means.
  - smitty1e 3y ago
    https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2024/03/23/asu-inclusive-communities-faculty-training-discrimination/73050003007/ https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2024/03/23/asu...
    - btreecat 3y ago
      When your source of evidence is an opinion article, you should seriously re-evaluate the strength of your claims.
      - smitty1e 3y ago
        The evidence of societal decay abounds, along with the studious denial thereof.
kortilla 3y ago
DEI the goal is great. Basically every approach to achieve it has been straight up racism and sexism in an attempt to “balance things”.
- hackable_sand 3y ago
  This statement is a contradiction. Did you edit it?
  - kortilla 3y ago
    What? I’m saying DEI as an abstract goal is great. The problem is that every institutional attempt to solve DEI results in blatant discrimination. So it ends up being that you can assume anyone who actually works on DEI initiatives at a corporation is doing pretty shitty things.
rayiner 3y ago
> What's wrong with a Diverse, Equitable, Inclusive world? If you center the putative ends and ignore the means, what’s wrong with communism? Also, even in terms of ends: I come from Asia, where most countries are homogenous. Are you suggesting that Taiwan or Japan is somehow worse because everyone is Taiwanese or Japanese? Would India and Bangladesh both benefit if we took some people from one side of the border and swapped them over to the other side? Or better yet—added a bunch of white people and Latinos? Would Aladdin or Mulan be better with a diverse cast? That sounds… racist.

DEI? What's wrong with a Diverse, Equitable, Inclusive world? Of the podcast, not a fan. Nor of the book. But DEI, that's Startrek TOS/TNG bread and butter. What's the problem?

smitty1e 3y ago

> What's wrong with a Diverse, Equitable, Inclusive world? Ingestion of folly is not wisdom. The litmus test of ideas is the fruit they bear, and the verdict on DEI isn't stellar thus far.

btreecat 3y ago
Examples such as?
- smitty1e 3y ago
  https://youtu.be/jKHi__DaplU?si=aD9pqnLMakr49jZ4 https://youtu.be/jKHi__DaplU?si=aD9pqnLMakr49jZ4
  - cmdpint 3y ago
    I'm not sure a work of fiction is the best example.
    - smitty1e 3y ago
      Bud Light, then. It's all the same cultural context. But quibble on, by all means.
- smitty1e 3y ago
  https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2024/03/23/asu-inclusive-communities-faculty-training-discrimination/73050003007/ https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2024/03/23/asu...
  - btreecat 3y ago
    When your source of evidence is an opinion article, you should seriously re-evaluate the strength of your claims.
    - smitty1e 3y ago
      The evidence of societal decay abounds, along with the studious denial thereof.

kortilla 3y ago

DEI the goal is great. Basically every approach to achieve it has been straight up racism and sexism in an attempt to “balance things”.

hackable_sand 3y ago
This statement is a contradiction. Did you edit it?
- kortilla 3y ago
  What? I’m saying DEI as an abstract goal is great. The problem is that every institutional attempt to solve DEI results in blatant discrimination. So it ends up being that you can assume anyone who actually works on DEI initiatives at a corporation is doing pretty shitty things.

rayiner 3y ago

> What's wrong with a Diverse, Equitable, Inclusive world? If you center the putative ends and ignore the means, what’s wrong with communism? Also, even in terms of ends: I come from Asia, where most countries are homogenous. Are you suggesting that Taiwan or Japan is somehow worse because everyone is Taiwanese or Japanese? Would India and Bangladesh both benefit if we took some people from one side of the border and swapped them over to the other side? Or better yet—added a bunch of white people and Latinos? Would Aladdin or Mulan be better with a diverse cast? That sounds… racist.