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> I cannot imagine my mom going through anything like this, That's why we have to post individualistically and learn that everything is social, that solutions

by rakoo 3y ago

> I cannot imagine my mom going through anything like this, That's why we have to post individualistically and learn that everything is social, that solutions are societal. Your mom might never be able to self-host, and you might never be able to make the wine that you drink. That's fine, and that's why we share responsibilities as a group. Be the one that "knows how to do that king of things" for your group, host services for you, your mom, your friends... It's fun to do and a very good way to collectively re-appropriate our digital lives. You'll be the technical person, but all governance, directions, values can be decided collectively: that's what democratic societies are, after all. If you can't/don't want to be there 24/7, let the group know that it might break but maybe the group will decide that it's fine enough.

tombert 3y ago
I am that person for my parents. I actually did set up a small Jellyfin instance for their house to serve their home movies. I'm also the person they usually call with any kind of tech support questions.
- rakoo 3y ago
  Good, then you have a group of people being able to have this service thanks to you ! That's the goal, and already much more than what many of us here are doing.
TaylorAlexander 3y ago
I agree with you and unfortunately if me and some friends decide to rip our media to a server and share it, there’s some men with guns that might decide to interfere with our cooperation. In practice I see plenty of people sharing access to plex servers, but it is unsettling that someone could somewhat arbitrarily be subject to violent interference for sharing media with friends.
amrangaye 3y ago
lol - just out of curiosity: are you doing this yourself? Provide tech support to all your aunties and uncles, cousins, friends etc (already bad enough - now formalized) then you add installation and maintenance (including on all their devices), keeping everything updated etc. And having to troubleshoot every single problem they run into. “make decisions as a group” sounds great and democratic - but you really think anyone cares about this enough amongst non-techies to be part of all this “decision making” about what apps to use? And this is in addition to your day job. And please don’t say well we can evangelize - again: no one has time for that. It sounds great esp to us techies - that’s how WE would solve the problem as a group. Doing that with non-techies esp with family and friends would be HORRIBLE in practice. Unfortunately I have a feeling I’ll get responses of the type “well you never know till you try” and “maybe YOU can’t / don’t want to do it but others will”. To which I say more power to you :) but this is def not a solution outside of hacker forums where we can pore over tech surveillance and freedom etc. and create a bubble where everything is libertarian and can be solved if only we had the right systems in place for the normies.
- rakoo 3y ago
  Allow me to quote the message again: > If you can't/don't want to be there 24/7, let the group know that it might break but maybe the group will decide that it's fine enough. You don't owe anyone anything, and I'm not advocating for being their tech support helping them in any and all tasks. The goal is not to be able to help them plug a webcam when they need it. I'm talking about redefining together social conventions and tools to be together. What kind of software you want to use for that, agree on rules, what to post, what is not tolerable, how do you do to share photos, and stuff. > just out of curiosity: are you doing this yourself? Yes, I installed and created accounts on the messenger I use with my parents. Yes, it can be as simple as that. That's the point. > but you really think anyone cares about this enough amongst non-techies to be part of all this “decision making” about what apps to use? You really are assuming people are stupid and that's sad. Of course people are interested in questions like "I want to talk with the group" or "I want to know where my photos are" or "I want to be able to see my videos in 10 years". Even when their reply is "wherever", it means it's acceptable for them to use another tool that isn't a FAANG. I ask the question the other way around: have you had replies telling you "we don't want to leave Google because we actually like Google's surveillance capitalism" ? Until you haven't, "normies" are interested in getting out (and please don't use that term, you make it sound like you're superior to them when you are absolutely not. No one is superior, no one is inferior)

by rakoo 3y ago

tombert 3y ago

I am that person for my parents. I actually did set up a small Jellyfin instance for their house to serve their home movies. I'm also the person they usually call with any kind of tech support questions.

rakoo 3y ago
Good, then you have a group of people being able to have this service thanks to you ! That's the goal, and already much more than what many of us here are doing.

TaylorAlexander 3y ago

I agree with you and unfortunately if me and some friends decide to rip our media to a server and share it, there’s some men with guns that might decide to interfere with our cooperation. In practice I see plenty of people sharing access to plex servers, but it is unsettling that someone could somewhat arbitrarily be subject to violent interference for sharing media with friends.

amrangaye 3y ago

lol - just out of curiosity: are you doing this yourself? Provide tech support to all your aunties and uncles, cousins, friends etc (already bad enough - now formalized) then you add installation and maintenance (including on all their devices), keeping everything updated etc. And having to troubleshoot every single problem they run into. “make decisions as a group” sounds great and democratic - but you really think anyone cares about this enough amongst non-techies to be part of all this “decision making” about what apps to use? And this is in addition to your day job. And please don’t say well we can evangelize - again: no one has time for that. It sounds great esp to us techies - that’s how WE would solve the problem as a group. Doing that with non-techies esp with family and friends would be HORRIBLE in practice. Unfortunately I have a feeling I’ll get responses of the type “well you never know till you try” and “maybe YOU can’t / don’t want to do it but others will”. To which I say more power to you :) but this is def not a solution outside of hacker forums where we can pore over tech surveillance and freedom etc. and create a bubble where everything is libertarian and can be solved if only we had the right systems in place for the normies.

rakoo 3y ago
Allow me to quote the message again: > If you can't/don't want to be there 24/7, let the group know that it might break but maybe the group will decide that it's fine enough. You don't owe anyone anything, and I'm not advocating for being their tech support helping them in any and all tasks. The goal is not to be able to help them plug a webcam when they need it. I'm talking about redefining together social conventions and tools to be together. What kind of software you want to use for that, agree on rules, what to post, what is not tolerable, how do you do to share photos, and stuff. > just out of curiosity: are you doing this yourself? Yes, I installed and created accounts on the messenger I use with my parents. Yes, it can be as simple as that. That's the point. > but you really think anyone cares about this enough amongst non-techies to be part of all this “decision making” about what apps to use? You really are assuming people are stupid and that's sad. Of course people are interested in questions like "I want to talk with the group" or "I want to know where my photos are" or "I want to be able to see my videos in 10 years". Even when their reply is "wherever", it means it's acceptable for them to use another tool that isn't a FAANG. I ask the question the other way around: have you had replies telling you "we don't want to leave Google because we actually like Google's surveillance capitalism" ? Until you haven't, "normies" are interested in getting out (and please don't use that term, you make it sound like you're superior to them when you are absolutely not. No one is superior, no one is inferior)