Or perhaps the argument is more complicated than the OP suggests. Perhaps you and they should watch the Kurzgesagt video made in conjunction with Our World in D

Or perhaps the argument is more complicated than the OP suggests. Perhaps you and they should watch the Kurzgesagt video made in conjunction with Our World in Data (linked on OP's linked page): https://youtu.be/ipVxxxqwBQw?si=OtBDyuU-RbTRbete https://youtu.be/ipVxxxqwBQw?si=OtBDyuU-RbTRbete