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Hard disagree but even if all of the growth is done, you never would have captured a penny of it reading HN. It went from “scam” to “ponzi” to “government will

Hard disagree but even if all of the growth is done, you never would have captured a penny of it reading HN. It went from “scam” to “ponzi” to “government will surely ban it” to “ok it’s over no need to look at or speak of it”.

alephnerd 3y ago
> government will surely ban it This is plain hystronics, but regulation is absolutely coming and will only help the larger existing players to consolidate. Coinbase, FTX, etc have all seen the writing on the wall and are working with regulators on this. The Wild West days are definetly over now. If I'd invest in the space, I'd probably look at KYC and AML product opportunties such as Chainalysis, but even that space has consolidated
- monero-xmr 3y ago
  I’m super deep in the space but there is enormous money to be made everywhere. Or at least everyone I know is searching Zillow…
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    I'm not denying that there's money in the industry - every portion of the software industry can rake cash due to the extremely high margins that software has compared to just about any other industry. The magic is finding which subsegments might have even higher margins than others. Crypto used to have fairly high margins, but all the easy gains have been claimed by larger firms as it's a much more mature industry now, but portions of the ML space still have much more opportunity for growth, so it makes sense to deploy capital there (this is a very high level view so take with a grain of salt - B2C and SMB B2B and Enterprise B2B have entirely different GTM motions and path to profitability). But at least for me, I can't justify participating in a Series A round for a crypto startup compared to an MLOps startup today.
__loam 3y ago
It's still a scam even if bitcoin is currently benefiting from the creation of institutional ETFs. FTX was one of the largest financial frauds in history and the founder was disgraced and convicted. There's clearly a large amount of appetite for regulatory action in government right now and afaik the funding in the space has completely dried up. What did we get for all that trouble? A really inefficiet payments system? "Digital Gold"? A fun way to fund terrorists and drug running? Crypto proponents are delusional if they think they can just shake off the reputational damage they brought onto themselves in the past several years.
- monero-xmr 3y ago
  Funding is through the roof! $300 million seed round valuations are happening again
  - __loam 3y ago
    VCs learning nothing or cynically continuing to try and cash in on this scam isn't exactly an airtight argument, even if my original statement was wrong. FTX also raised a ton of money.
    - monero-xmr 3y ago
      It’s just further proof that people commenting on HN confidently about crypto, do not have any idea what is happening in crypto. This website is not plugged in and you won’t pick up any information about it here.
      - __loam 3y ago
        Most of us just don't see the point of following an industry that is predominantly fraud.
cr__ 3y ago
It is a scam. It is a Ponzi scheme (subcategory of scams).

alephnerd 3y ago

> government will surely ban it This is plain hystronics, but regulation is absolutely coming and will only help the larger existing players to consolidate. Coinbase, FTX, etc have all seen the writing on the wall and are working with regulators on this. The Wild West days are definetly over now. If I'd invest in the space, I'd probably look at KYC and AML product opportunties such as Chainalysis, but even that space has consolidated

monero-xmr 3y ago
I’m super deep in the space but there is enormous money to be made everywhere. Or at least everyone I know is searching Zillow…
- alephnerd 3y ago
  I'm not denying that there's money in the industry - every portion of the software industry can rake cash due to the extremely high margins that software has compared to just about any other industry. The magic is finding which subsegments might have even higher margins than others. Crypto used to have fairly high margins, but all the easy gains have been claimed by larger firms as it's a much more mature industry now, but portions of the ML space still have much more opportunity for growth, so it makes sense to deploy capital there (this is a very high level view so take with a grain of salt - B2C and SMB B2B and Enterprise B2B have entirely different GTM motions and path to profitability). But at least for me, I can't justify participating in a Series A round for a crypto startup compared to an MLOps startup today.

__loam 3y ago

It's still a scam even if bitcoin is currently benefiting from the creation of institutional ETFs. FTX was one of the largest financial frauds in history and the founder was disgraced and convicted. There's clearly a large amount of appetite for regulatory action in government right now and afaik the funding in the space has completely dried up. What did we get for all that trouble? A really inefficiet payments system? "Digital Gold"? A fun way to fund terrorists and drug running? Crypto proponents are delusional if they think they can just shake off the reputational damage they brought onto themselves in the past several years.

monero-xmr 3y ago
Funding is through the roof! $300 million seed round valuations are happening again
- __loam 3y ago
  VCs learning nothing or cynically continuing to try and cash in on this scam isn't exactly an airtight argument, even if my original statement was wrong. FTX also raised a ton of money.
  - monero-xmr 3y ago
    It’s just further proof that people commenting on HN confidently about crypto, do not have any idea what is happening in crypto. This website is not plugged in and you won’t pick up any information about it here.
    - __loam 3y ago
      Most of us just don't see the point of following an industry that is predominantly fraud.

cr__ 3y ago

It is a scam. It is a Ponzi scheme (subcategory of scams).