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I love their product, but I was suspect of Emad ever since he said “There will be no programmers in five years.”[0] That just sounds so simplistic that I don't

by yreg 3y ago

I love their product, but I was suspect of Emad ever since he said “There will be no programmers in five years.”[0] That just sounds so simplistic that I don't believe he believes it himself. [0] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stability-ai-ceo-no-human-193413248.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stability-ai-ceo-no-human-193...

ramraj07 3y ago
The worst thing here is not that he doesn’t believe in it himself, but that he does. As George Costanza said, “it’s not a lie if you believe it”
- yreg 3y ago
  No, my problem is that I don't believe he believes it. It is a lie.
tracerbulletx 3y ago
The CEO of nvidia said basically the same thing so I don't know if that's the best metric.
- lolinder 3y ago
  You mean the CEO of the company that just rode the AI hype wave to become one of the top 3 most valuable companies in the world? It's his fiduciary duty to say things like that, whether or not he believes them, the same as every other CEO in the AI space.
  - b112 3y ago
    There is no fiduciary duty to lie, or make up stories you do not believe. People really oversell fiduciary duty. Yet the whole point of top-level corporate roles is to steer a company predicated upon opinion, which means that you have great latitude to act without malfeasance.
- dheera 3y ago
  Unfortunately when Stability shuts down Wall Street might get spooked that the bubble is popping and downvote NVDA
bruce511 3y ago
I think when parsing that statement it's important to understand his (and your) definition of "programmer". We (I) tend to use the term "programmer" in a generic way, encompassing a bunch of tasks waaay beyond "just typing in new code". Whereas I suspect he used it in the narrowest possible definition (literally, code-typer). My day job (which I call programming) consists of needs analysis, data-modelling, workflow and UI design, coding, documenting, presenting, iterating, debugging, extending, and cycling through this loop multiple times. All while collaborating with customers, managers, co-workers, check-writers and so on. AI can do -some- of that. And it can do small bits of it really well. It will improve in some of the other bits. Plus, a new job description will appear- "prompt engineer". As an aside I prefer the term "software developer " for what I do, I think it's a better description than "programmer". Maybe one day there'll be an AI that can do software development. Developers that don't need to eat, sleep, or take a piss. But not today. (P.S. to companies looking to make money with AI - make them able to replace me in Zoom meetings. I'd pay for that...)
- hsjsbeebue 3y ago
  There are almost no programmers today (you need to do malloc and low level sys calls in C to be considered a programmer).
  - throwaway11460 3y ago
    I don't think you can be considered a programmer if you can't write your own syscall firmware code in assembly.
    - rmbyrro 3y ago
      I don't think you can be considered a programmer if you can't perfurate your own punch cards.
      - CaptainFever 3y ago
        https://xkcd.com/378/ https://xkcd.com/378/
teaearlgraycold 3y ago
Well it's been almost a year since he said that. You would think we'd have lost the first chunk of programmers to AI by now.
- callalex 3y ago
  We have, there are a bunch of bottom of the barrel executives that have done hiring freezes and layoffs under the assumption that AI would replace everything. It will go the exact same way as the outsourcing craze that swept the industry in the mid aughts. The executives that initiate the savings will be praised and rewarded lavishly, and then when everything blows up and falls apart those responsible for the short sighted and ineffective cuts will be long gone.
  - teaearlgraycold 3y ago
    Are there any good numbers on how many positions this has affected?
    - jart 3y ago
      https://layoffs.fyi/ https://layoffs.fyi/
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andrepd 3y ago
I'm pretty sure Elon Musk also didn't believe in "FSD in 6 months" every time he said it, but it was just marketing.

by yreg 3y ago

ramraj07 3y ago

The worst thing here is not that he doesn’t believe in it himself, but that he does. As George Costanza said, “it’s not a lie if you believe it”

yreg 3y ago
No, my problem is that I don't believe he believes it. It is a lie.

tracerbulletx 3y ago

The CEO of nvidia said basically the same thing so I don't know if that's the best metric.

lolinder 3y ago
You mean the CEO of the company that just rode the AI hype wave to become one of the top 3 most valuable companies in the world? It's his fiduciary duty to say things like that, whether or not he believes them, the same as every other CEO in the AI space.
- b112 3y ago
  There is no fiduciary duty to lie, or make up stories you do not believe. People really oversell fiduciary duty. Yet the whole point of top-level corporate roles is to steer a company predicated upon opinion, which means that you have great latitude to act without malfeasance.
dheera 3y ago
Unfortunately when Stability shuts down Wall Street might get spooked that the bubble is popping and downvote NVDA

bruce511 3y ago

I think when parsing that statement it's important to understand his (and your) definition of "programmer". We (I) tend to use the term "programmer" in a generic way, encompassing a bunch of tasks waaay beyond "just typing in new code". Whereas I suspect he used it in the narrowest possible definition (literally, code-typer). My day job (which I call programming) consists of needs analysis, data-modelling, workflow and UI design, coding, documenting, presenting, iterating, debugging, extending, and cycling through this loop multiple times. All while collaborating with customers, managers, co-workers, check-writers and so on. AI can do -some- of that. And it can do small bits of it really well. It will improve in some of the other bits. Plus, a new job description will appear- "prompt engineer". As an aside I prefer the term "software developer " for what I do, I think it's a better description than "programmer". Maybe one day there'll be an AI that can do software development. Developers that don't need to eat, sleep, or take a piss. But not today. (P.S. to companies looking to make money with AI - make them able to replace me in Zoom meetings. I'd pay for that...)

hsjsbeebue 3y ago
There are almost no programmers today (you need to do malloc and low level sys calls in C to be considered a programmer).
- throwaway11460 3y ago
  I don't think you can be considered a programmer if you can't write your own syscall firmware code in assembly.
  - rmbyrro 3y ago
    I don't think you can be considered a programmer if you can't perfurate your own punch cards.
    - CaptainFever 3y ago
      https://xkcd.com/378/ https://xkcd.com/378/

teaearlgraycold 3y ago

Well it's been almost a year since he said that. You would think we'd have lost the first chunk of programmers to AI by now.

callalex 3y ago
We have, there are a bunch of bottom of the barrel executives that have done hiring freezes and layoffs under the assumption that AI would replace everything. It will go the exact same way as the outsourcing craze that swept the industry in the mid aughts. The executives that initiate the savings will be praised and rewarded lavishly, and then when everything blows up and falls apart those responsible for the short sighted and ineffective cuts will be long gone.
- teaearlgraycold 3y ago
  Are there any good numbers on how many positions this has affected?
  - jart 3y ago
    https://layoffs.fyi/ https://layoffs.fyi/

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andrepd 3y ago

I'm pretty sure Elon Musk also didn't believe in "FSD in 6 months" every time he said it, but it was just marketing.