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Well RIP Stability AI. I love their models and I love how they have changed the entire open source AI ecosystem for the better, but the writing was always on t

by stale2002 3y ago

Well RIP Stability AI. I love their models and I love how they have changed the entire open source AI ecosystem for the better, but the writing was always on the wall for them given how unprofitable they are. I don't think much of the AI startup scene or socials groups like e/acc would have existed if it weren't for the tech that they just gave away for free. Its interesting how Stability AI and their VC funding have done a much better job of acting effectively as a non-profit charity (because they don't have profits. lol) to speed up AI development and open source their results as compared to other companies that were supposed to have been doing that from the beginning. They really were the true ActuallyOpenAI. Related to this, if you are an aspiring person who wants to improve the world, tricking a bunch of VC investors to fund your tech and then giving away the results to everyone free of charge is the single best way to do it.

Der_Einzige 3y ago
Huggingface are also the real actual openAI
- abi 3y ago
  How? What models have they put out that are relevant?
  - minimaxir 3y ago
    Zephyr: https://huggingface.co/HuggingFaceH4/zephyr-7b-beta https://huggingface.co/HuggingFaceH4/zephyr-7b-beta Their platform for easy distribution and management of models has sped up the ecosystem more so.
ShamelessC 3y ago
> socials groups like e/acc Good riddance.
- stale2002 3y ago
  Hey, let me know when the doomers have built anything that has mattered because they choose to, and not because they are forced to my market forces. At least the open source AI people have code that you can use, freely without restriction. The doomers, on the other hand, don't do anything but try and fail to prevent other people from releasing useful stuff. But, in some sense I should be thanking the doomers because I rather that people with such incompetence were the enemy as opposed to people who might have a chance of succeeding.
  - janalsncm 3y ago
    Not being e/acc doesn’t make one a doomer. It means being someone with a healthy relationship with technological progress, who hasn’t given up on the prospect of useful regulation where it’s helpful. The US is great but the best AI researchers aren’t gonna want to live here if it becomes a hyper libertarian hellscape. They want to raise a family without their kids being exploited by technologies in ways that e/accs tell us we should just accept. It’s not sustainable.
    - stale2002 3y ago
      > if it becomes a hyper libertarian hellscape. Releasing cool open source AI tech doesn't turn the world into a libertarian hellscape. You are taking the memes way too seriously. Mostly people just joke around on twitter while are also building tech startups. e/acc isn't overthrowing the government.
      - jrflowers 3y ago
        >You are taking the memes way too seriously. Exactly. There are two groups of people: ones that defend Effective Accelerationism online with a straight face, and ones that take memes too seriously
      - janalsncm 3y ago
        You may want to read Marc Andreessen’s manifesto. E/acc isn’t just about “releasing cool AI tech”. It means unrestricted technological progress. Unrestricted, including from annoying things like consumer protection, environmental concerns, or even national security. If e/acc was just about making cool open source stuff and posting memes on the Internet, you wouldn’t need a new term for it, that’s what people have been doing for the past 30 years.
rmbyrro 3y ago
Are you aware of smth called criminal code? This is one of the worst advices I've ever seen. Tricking people to obtain money? How's this not fraud?
- stale2002 3y ago
  > This is one of the worst advices I've ever seen. Really? Because stability AI caused a very large amount of good in the world. It arguably kicked off the entire AI startup industry. > Tricking people to obtain money? How's this not fraud? Its not fraud because you don't have to lie to anyone. You can tell VCs exactly what you plan on doing. Which is to open source all of your code... and... uhhh... yeah that will totally make the company valuable. There are lots of ways of making sales pitches about open source, or similar, that will absolutely pass regulatory scrutiny and are "honest", and yet still have no hope of commercial success and also provide a huge amount of value to the public. Like what stability AI did.
  - samatman 3y ago
    The crux is that I doubt they intended this. A company that sets out to obtain VC money and blow it all on open source software without turning a profit, is going to leave behind smoking guns. Those will turn up in discovery and make one's life rather difficult.
    - stale2002 3y ago
      > The crux is that I doubt they intended this. Sure they did. They have been open from the start that they were releasing everything open source. They have been very up front about that! > is going to leave behind smoking guns. Those will turn up in discover No it won't, and it didn't. The VCs all hopped on board onto a very transparent open source giveaway. Good on them! Nobody lied to anyone about their open source plans.

Der_Einzige 3y ago

Huggingface are also the real actual openAI

abi 3y ago
How? What models have they put out that are relevant?
- minimaxir 3y ago
  Zephyr: https://huggingface.co/HuggingFaceH4/zephyr-7b-beta https://huggingface.co/HuggingFaceH4/zephyr-7b-beta Their platform for easy distribution and management of models has sped up the ecosystem more so.

ShamelessC 3y ago

> socials groups like e/acc Good riddance.

stale2002 3y ago
Hey, let me know when the doomers have built anything that has mattered because they choose to, and not because they are forced to my market forces. At least the open source AI people have code that you can use, freely without restriction. The doomers, on the other hand, don't do anything but try and fail to prevent other people from releasing useful stuff. But, in some sense I should be thanking the doomers because I rather that people with such incompetence were the enemy as opposed to people who might have a chance of succeeding.
- janalsncm 3y ago
  Not being e/acc doesn’t make one a doomer. It means being someone with a healthy relationship with technological progress, who hasn’t given up on the prospect of useful regulation where it’s helpful. The US is great but the best AI researchers aren’t gonna want to live here if it becomes a hyper libertarian hellscape. They want to raise a family without their kids being exploited by technologies in ways that e/accs tell us we should just accept. It’s not sustainable.
  - stale2002 3y ago
    > if it becomes a hyper libertarian hellscape. Releasing cool open source AI tech doesn't turn the world into a libertarian hellscape. You are taking the memes way too seriously. Mostly people just joke around on twitter while are also building tech startups. e/acc isn't overthrowing the government.
    - jrflowers 3y ago
      >You are taking the memes way too seriously. Exactly. There are two groups of people: ones that defend Effective Accelerationism online with a straight face, and ones that take memes too seriously
    - janalsncm 3y ago
      You may want to read Marc Andreessen’s manifesto. E/acc isn’t just about “releasing cool AI tech”. It means unrestricted technological progress. Unrestricted, including from annoying things like consumer protection, environmental concerns, or even national security. If e/acc was just about making cool open source stuff and posting memes on the Internet, you wouldn’t need a new term for it, that’s what people have been doing for the past 30 years.

rmbyrro 3y ago

Are you aware of smth called criminal code? This is one of the worst advices I've ever seen. Tricking people to obtain money? How's this not fraud?

stale2002 3y ago
> This is one of the worst advices I've ever seen. Really? Because stability AI caused a very large amount of good in the world. It arguably kicked off the entire AI startup industry. > Tricking people to obtain money? How's this not fraud? Its not fraud because you don't have to lie to anyone. You can tell VCs exactly what you plan on doing. Which is to open source all of your code... and... uhhh... yeah that will totally make the company valuable. There are lots of ways of making sales pitches about open source, or similar, that will absolutely pass regulatory scrutiny and are "honest", and yet still have no hope of commercial success and also provide a huge amount of value to the public. Like what stability AI did.
- samatman 3y ago
  The crux is that I doubt they intended this. A company that sets out to obtain VC money and blow it all on open source software without turning a profit, is going to leave behind smoking guns. Those will turn up in discovery and make one's life rather difficult.
  - stale2002 3y ago
    > The crux is that I doubt they intended this. Sure they did. They have been open from the start that they were releasing everything open source. They have been very up front about that! > is going to leave behind smoking guns. Those will turn up in discover No it won't, and it didn't. The VCs all hopped on board onto a very transparent open source giveaway. Good on them! Nobody lied to anyone about their open source plans.