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I don’t think he was talking about female computer scientists, not at all.
by dotcoma 3y ago
I don’t think he was talking about female computer scientists, not at all.
- standardUser 3y agoHe said "if you want a girlfriend, get out of the Bay Area" to female students who live in the Bay Area.
- satisfice 3y agoHe’s saying that women in the Bay Area are highly valuable. Your outrage is very strange. Do you think women in the Bay Area are not very valuable? Why would you want to claim that? If you can’t afford a car, maybe stop car shopping at Mercedes dealerships, right? How can this possibly be controversial, unless you simply hunger for outrage.
- friend_and_foe 3y agoThat's one way to construe what he said, I think it's a little generous. What most of us get, and I think it's probably closer to his intent, is "women in the bay area expect you to make half a milliom dollars a year at google and do half the housework." That's a perfectly fine thing to advise a young man on if he's not in that position and doesn't want that kind of family life, but let's not pretend that he was calling them valuable. He was calling them too demanding for what they have to offer.
- standardUser 3y agoHe was stereotyping a vast group of people, a group which includes students in his class, and discussing their value. People just should not do that. It's rude, dumb and inappropriate. What if he made a similarly broad judgment about all Asians or all Black people? It would be similarly fucked up.
- friend_and_foe 3y agoI see your point, but I don't think those are the same thing. People don't go out seeking specific races of people to begin lives with them. We all go out seeking someone of our preferred sex. Pairing is a fundamental part of human behavior. Also he didn't generalize all women, he disparaged the local culture. It's not like he told the dude to turn gay because women suck or something like that.
- standardUser 3y agoI simply can't comprehend the worldview of someone who would waste their time defending this. I feel the need to call it out because I have many female friends and have heard their views on these types of issues over the years, which compels me to speak out. Do you have many women in your life that you can talk to about these issues?
- friend_and_foe 3y agoYeah, my wife for one. I mentioned this to her yesterday actually. She thought it was funny. I think it helps to not default to outrage and then examine things critically and unemotionally. I'm not defending anything, just discussing details.
- satisfice 3y agoYou don't speak for women.
- satisfice 3y agoHe's not stereotyping anyone. He was observing market conditions in a geographic area.
- satisfice 3y agoWomen who in demand are in a position to hold out for more from men. Of course they are! This is NOT CONTROVERSIAL, nor insulting to women in any way. Why would you want to interpret this as an insult to women? Does it make you happier than the alternative?
- friend_and_foe 3y agoI don't interpret this as an insult to women. I interpret it as disparaging to bay area culture, which isn't really a big deal, lots of people disparage the culture in lots of places when they declare they'd never live there.
- standardUser 3y agoMen should not comment on the "value" of women to their students, are you fucking kidding me?
- satisfice 3y agoNo, I'm not kidding you. Get your head out of your ass and start learning how humans live and mate.